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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 1:26:28 GMT
Reimu B: 6.5 I just never found a use for it, perhaps due to my play style, also I don't care for scoring, so her bomb in terms of survival is kinda weak., she doesn't make stages easier that's for sure. Marisa A: 8.5 Dam does she hit strong, the missiles have a bit of a delay but it doesn't make much of a difference. Boss battles are where she really shines, her bomb is pretty okay but nothing like master spark. Marisa B: 8 Probably the most effective bomb also cool looking, not that strong admittedly and piercing doesn't have much use on EoSD, however it isn't really detrimental to your play.
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Post by jpsuperplayer on May 5, 2015 1:40:46 GMT
ReimuB - 9.5 Pros: -Strong -Speed is easy to control -Amazing bomb for score -Moderate spread
Cons: -Bomb is weak (though for scoring this is probably a pro)
MarisaA - 5.5/10 Pros: -Fast -Strong even at the bottom of the screen
Cons: -Hard to control (because fast) -Bomb is not very good and really weird to use for proper cancels -Shot is super narrow
MarisaB - 7/10 Pros: -Fast -Reasonable shot width -Good bomb for both survival and scoring -Piercing
Cons: -Hard to control (because fast) -Fairly weak -Lasers take a bit to go away (may get bad cancels if you aren't careful)
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Post by ZM on May 5, 2015 2:10:35 GMT
@vexman fix your ReimuB score right now
ReimuB: 9/10 I myself have never used her (only really use MarisaA, though I'm probably gonna flock over to this one and MarisaB), but I've seen what she's capable of. And holy damn, she's good. She hits hard, her spreads helps her in stages, her bomb, though weak, is very good for scoring. Her only problems are that she has one of the tougher Patchy fights and as said before, her bomb is weak.
MarisaA: 7/10 I might be a little biased, but I find MarisaA actually pretty good. Not ReimuB tier of awesome, but still pretty good. She just...doesn't do anything that ReimuB or MarisaB do better, so to speak. Her Patchy fight is quite annoying, too. Oh, and her bomb is weak, and unlike with ReimuB's bomb, it isn't even good for scoring. At least she hits like a truck.
MarisaB: 8/10 Pretty much a weaker MarisaA, but has better everything else. Her bomb is great for both survival (spark is strong) and scoring (don't fuck up with the spark though), she STILL hits quite hard, and she has one of the easier Patchy fights.
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Post by MauserZGK on May 5, 2015 12:36:20 GMT
ReimuB: She is a powerful shot that can achieve great results and Reimu generally speaks to me more than Marisa does because who doesn't prefer black hair over blonde hair except extreme bimbos. Furthermore, her speed is good for those of us who can only handle medium-speed shottypes like yours truly. Also has a smaller hitbox than Marisa, don't listen to that Cactu scrublord, he hasn't 1cc'd that game for ages, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I give her a Cirno out of 10! MarisaA: Who can't love a shottype that makes firing christmas trees at their enemies their primary means of attack? I sure as hell can't! Aside from having a pretty cool Patchouli boss, I really don't like using this shot at all. She's powerful yes but as is ReimuB and she doesn't spend like 70% of the time not hitting what she's supposed to xD - The bomb does fuck all for scoring if you're into that and btw shouldn't you be playing ReimuB right now? Also the speed is too fast resulting in deaths that is in no way my own fault! But she's a Touhou character. I can't go to rough on her since she did help me bag some of my better Extra runs. I rate her 5.0 (out of 10 million!) MarisaB: The memelord shottype because she has access to the kamehameha wave and lasers that seemingly turn themselves on at off at their own convenience. This type is regarded as pretty good for scoring purposes. There's piercing and piercing damage is good. Pierce my heart this shot type is actually pretty solid overall and the name Love Sign is probably an allusion to something deeply NSFW so I guess it's 8/10 for this one.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on May 6, 2015 19:09:14 GMT
Reimu B 9/10 Screen wiping bomb, powerful shot. I like it. Marisa A 7.5/10 Powerful, focused shot. Bomb sucks. A lot. Marisa B 8/10 Not as strong as Marisa A but strong enough to get the job done. Master Spark is cool, too.
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Post by ZM on May 7, 2015 1:01:35 GMT
ReimuB: 9.00 MarisaA: 6.17 MarisaB 7.89
That was fun.
Alright, PCB time~ ReimuA, ReimuB, MarisaA, MarisaB, SakuyaA, and SakuyaB
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Post by Glaceon Mage on May 7, 2015 1:09:59 GMT
Reimu A 6/10 Same issues as EoSD Reimu A. She fights Lunasa though. Still weak and overshadowed by Reimu B, IMO Reimu B 8.5/10 +Slow movement while focused + good power +Lunasa +Small hitbox -Focused bomb is pretty eh Marisa A 7.5/10 +High power +Lyrica -Stardust Reverie still blows -only two bomb stocks -Trouble micrododging Marisa B 8/10 +Decent strength +Lyrica +LOVE COLORED MASTER SPARK -two bomb stocks -Trouble micrododging Sakuya A 8.5/10 +High Spread or homing +Two great bombs that compliment each other, one damage based and the other screenclearing (for the most part) -Merlin -High focused speed Sakuya B 1/10 -Merlin -I have no idea how to control this silly shot.
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Post by ZM on May 7, 2015 1:49:29 GMT
Sakuya B 1/10 -I have no idea how to control this silly shot. Not gonna fly, Glac.
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Post by xxxmemerlord42069xxx on May 7, 2015 6:19:02 GMT
The comments that apply to both shots do so even if I don't mention it out loud both times
ReimuA: 3/10
It's happening again!!! -weak as shit -how do I used bomb??? why am i not scoring??? holy fuck I tried the Extra opening bombs like 1000 times before finally nailing it by pure luck +/- stage 4 boss 2nd non is kinda hard +is still Reimu so easy to control +introduces the Reimubox in this game and holy hell is it tiny +also possibly the only non-IN 2hu shot with realistically possible reflex deathbombing without anticipating the hit, it's like 250ms or some shit
ReimuB: 9/10
+everything above except the minuses +does even score and does it easily: the bomb is easy to use, unfocused shot is easy to use, everything is scrub-safe -okay so now that we can even score this becomes a minus: slow movement so grabbing all items & graze is hard or impossible
MarisaA: 5/10 +good as hell damage even unfocused +easy stage 4 opener nons +/- fast as hell whether you like it or not, you can reach places but it's crazy hard to control -fat as HELL hitbox -doesn't even score when used by mortals -2 bombs per life ?scores like mad theoretically because fast speed and fat hitbox allows max graze... but this is only meaningful for tool-assisted runs
MarisaB: 1/10 +good bottom of the screen focused damage +bomb wrecks everything -but you only have 2 of them -and they don't score -what the fuck is wrong with the unfocused shot -like what the hell man come on, no damage no cherry gain no nothing
SakuyaA: 2/10 +everything is pretty well suited for scrub-tier survival play, focused shot and bomb are auto-aimed with okay damage for a homing shot, and unfocused is hella wide +4 bombs -it's a Sakuya shot that doesn't score -the unfocused shot does literally nothing to bosses
SakuyaB: 9/10
+the perfect and elegant shot type of the gods +bomb does everything you'd ever want to it to do, freezes bullets for a long ass time and gets mad amounts of cherry, doesn't damage the bosses so you can do it yourself for even more cherry +and you have 4 of these sweet babies per life +the shot does everything you ask it to do, like a maid that's happy to serve you +does even score +/- harder than Reimu to control unfocused but has higher potential gains if you do it well enough -here comes the only real minus: stage 4 boss opener. like come the fuck on, it can be memorized because it's aimed the same way everytime but if you don't, I hope you enjoy chain deaths by curvy lasers
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:00:55 GMT
Reimu A: 6/10
Reimu B: 9/10
Marisa A: 6/10
Marisa B: 1/10
Sakuya A: 4/10
Sakuya B: 9/10
if I'm not mistaken, ReimuA's homing actually helps with gathering items at points, plus it's great for the spam.
I see no reason for using Marisa B (except fangasming over the Master Spark lawl) but I may be missing something
Sakuya A is crap unless you just want to clear as easily as possible, so I'm just awarding her some points for the 4 bomb stock and ease of play. I think she's useable in LNB too, though?
EDIT: How about doing PoFV too? I think it'd be very interesting because you don't just have the direct useability of the character to keep in mind, but also how your character affects your opponent and the "synergy".
That said I'm guessing a lot people haven't actually done versus mode, so the number of people that can comfortable rank might be low. So, I might just put my opinions on PoFV characters out there for fun either way.
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Post by ZM on May 7, 2015 10:37:36 GMT
@fe, please provide your reasonings for the others you rated, though I have a feeling you agree with memelord.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 11:55:01 GMT
Don't really know shit about PCB and my ratings probably show exactly that. No bully pls.
ReimuA 7/10 Pretty good shot for survival, homing is very useful in PCB. Reimu hitbox.
ReimuB 6.5/10 I don't like her so much, but I guess she is okay for scoring.
MarisaA 5/10 Worst shot imo, just doesn't seem as good to me as others.
MarisaB 6/10 Lasers actually seem pretty decently strong.
SakuyaA 7/10 Who homu here? Makes stage 6 spam section a joke the same way as ReimuA does.
SakuyaB 9/10 Sick scoring, nice unique shot type with a good amount of damage. I like it.
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Post by ZM on May 7, 2015 12:18:07 GMT
ReimuA: 6.5/10 Better than her EoSD counterpart. Homing actually does something in this game (stage 6 spam), and she's good for survival. Still rather weak, and her bomb is kinda piss.
ReimuB: 8.5/10 Great for scoring and survival. Great damage output. I guess all that needs to be said.
MarisaA: 9/10 Amazing DPS, easy Prismriver fight, cherry rate is insane. Two bombs per life is piss, and Stardust Reverie/Milky Way sucks dick against every boss that isn't Youmu. Still a great shot that I feel is being kind of underrated.
MarisaB: 5.5/10 Non-Directional Laser and Master Spark are fantastic bombs, but otherwise there's no reason to use MarisaB over MarisaA. Sure, her damage output in focus is great, but her unfocused shot is piss, and she's still held back by two bombs. Now she isn't a bad shot. Just outclassed.
SakuyaA: 5/10 Only use for first-time clears. Her damage output is only decent at best, even if her focused shot is homing. Bombs are good, and she does get to spam four of them each life. Still not that great of a shot and should only be used for first time clears.
SakuyaB: 8/10 Great damage output, unique and fun to use. Bomb does literally nothing, but hey, she still has four of them per life. Only held back by Merlin's opening nonspell, and with a bomb that does nothing...good luck.
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Post by jpsuperplayer on May 7, 2015 12:25:00 GMT
ReimuA - 6/10 Pros: -Easy to use -Smaller hitbox -Homing is useful for item collection -Focused homing damage is okay Cons: -Weak -Bomb is not very good for score -Doesn't gain as much cherry from shooting as other shots
ReimuB - 10/10 Pros: -Easy to use -Smaller hitbox -Strong -Good cherry gain -Close-up unfocus shot is strongest in the game -Useful bomb -Moderate spread Cons: -Bombs aren't quite as good as SakuyaB's -Smaller grazebox than Sakuya
MarisaA - 7.5/10 Pros: -Lower PoC -Very strong -Her shot has the fastest cherry gain -Speed can help with some things Cons: -Hard to control -Bombs are terrible -Scoring potential falls off on higher difficulties
MarisaB - 3.5/10 Pros: -Lower PoC -Speed can help with some things Cons: -Only moderately strong -Poor cherry gain -Bad scoring bombs -Hard to control -Everything she does another shot does better
SakuyaA - 2/10 Pros: -Bigger grazebox -Focused shot is good for beginners -4 bombs -Better than IN's Sakuya Cons: -Unfocus shot is possibly the worst in the entire series (can't even finish many things before they time out) -Fairly weak -Worst cherry gain in the game -Terrible scoring bombs -Can't collect items very well -Can't even kill fairies very well
SakuyaB - 9/10 Pros: -Bigger grazebox -Good cherry gain -Fairly strong -4 bombs -Amazing scoring bomb -Versatile shot Cons: -Shot is a little awkward to get used to -Bomb does almost no damage -Harder to control than Reimu -Scoring potential isn't as high on lower difficulties
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Post by MauserZGK on May 7, 2015 14:14:11 GMT
ReimuA makes the Stage 6 spam easier to handle but fails to gain more points for making everything take so long! 6/10 ReimuB deals great damage which is good unless you are stupid. You can score well with this but this system kicks my autism balls into an irrecognizable mess so I shall by no means take that into account. Still tho, great damage is great and the movement speed is pretty good. 9/10
MarisaA. Good damage but puny range. Has a lame-ass opening sister on Stage 4 so that blows and stage 6 spam turns 2hard4me. Still tho its an okay shot. 7/10 MarisaB. No. 1/10
SakuyaA. Way no. She plays like the B-type/Green helicopter in the Dodonpachi games in which moving to the sides causes your shot to direct itself slantways in that direction which is a pretty nifty concept but in practice, I never really use it because there are better alternatives in terms of screen coverage and raw firepower. The same is more or less true here except for only fire power being a concern. The shot can't really do something the Reimu's can't do better from what I can tell and Sakuya's movement speed is way too fast when focused so take it away plz. 2/10
SakuyaB. You can play a shmup with disregard to score if the mechanics don't tickle your fancy but if you play SakuyaB without playing for score then you're just plain stupid. Therefore some scoring has to be considered and I'll be damned if the world record of 3.6 billion isn't a fancy as hell display. It scores higher than ReimuB does and has a quite different playing style from what I can tell, typically sacrificing a ton of lives to jack up the cherry as quickly as possible which is made reality through her excellent scoring bomb that does fuck-all for survival just like SakuyaB without the damning handicap of being woefully underpowered against a tide of ridiculous spells that all has to be captured in a game that nobody can be arsed to play. Therefore... ehh 8/10 i guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 15:18:10 GMT
Alright! Let's get to it! ReimuA: 5/10 Mediocre-intermediate shot. Small hitbox, strong bomb, decent on stages, and captures spam most of the time. Amazing unfocused speed, low cherry penalty. However, she's weak against bosses, has to fight Lunasa's second nonspell. Has to dodge many waves of Youmu's first spell. Bomb is iffy for scoring. ReimuB: 10/10 This is easily a 10/10 and whoever disagrees or gives her even a half a point less is completely wrong, no exceptions. For survival, she's got solid power even at the bottom of the screen. Her unfocused shot is also very strong as well, ESPECIALLY if you shotgun. She has that nice small Reimu haxbox. As for bomb power, it's really strong if you pointblank focused bomb. And even though her unfocused bomb is kinda weak, it's very good for stages. For scoring, she's got nice cherry+ management. And her focused bomb is AMAZING. Star items are worth more for Cherry+ as the bomb ends, so you can use this trick to get extra borders at certain times. Her unfocused speed is GODLIKE for supergrazing. Her low cherry penalty allows you to use certain bombs and even suicide at points without TOO much loss. MarisaA 8/10: For survival. This shot is top notch. Her power is upfront, raw and powerful. Her bomb is pretty great especially when pointblanking. She gets cherry+ the fastest allowing her to get many borders. She only gets two bombs per life as she's Marisa, but because of all the borders she gets and all the resources you get in PCB, this isn't even worthy of being considered a complaint. She also fights the easy Lyrica opener. Unfortunately, she is terrible at the stage 6 spam section, so she loses a point for that. For scoring, she's not so great. Marisa has the biggest penalty for dying and bombing. Her bomb is also kinda terrible for scoring as well. Her unfocused speed makes it very tricky for supergrazing. Unless you're TAS'ing in which she get can many borders and use her godlike speed to counterstop PCB. MarisaB 5/10: For survival, she's mediocre I suppose. Her master spark is amazing, and her laser doesn't disappear when focused! She is decently strong. However, her unfocused shot is terrible and hardly gets any cherry+. Unlike MarisaA, who gets many borders, for MarisaB the 2-bomb Marisa rule actually hurts this shot. Also, she's still kinda bad at the spam. She breaks Yuyuko though, because her laser hurts Yuyuko and the fan, so she does massive damage. For scoring, this shot isn't really great. Master Spark is weird. Her Cherry+ gain is terrible, and her cherry penalty doesn't help either. SakuyaA 7/10: The only reason this shot gets so many points is because how great she is at scrubclearing. Her focused shot is broken and you can just stay in the corner for most boss attacks and not have to dodge much. She has 4 bombs as well. Her unfocused shot is also good for stages. However, she's absolutely shit at scoring. Her unfocused shot is terrible for getting Cherry+. Her bomb really has no benefit, either. Blah. SakuyaB: 9.5/10 She's a solid shot for survival, and has great power. She's okay at getting borders. Her bomb is purely a scoring bomb. For scoring, her bomb can get LOTS of cherry+ and get lots of borders, making her CherryMAX reach insane levels. This is the reason her scoring potential is a lot higher than ReimuBs. Point items are worth more, her spell bonuses end up getting bigger, etc. etc. Her unfocused speed is okay at grazing as well. Though her focused speed is a bit funky.
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Post by ZM on May 9, 2015 14:15:08 GMT
I'll be lenient this time and count every score and not toss anything out. Just be sure to follow the rules, guys. XP
Next up is IN team shots. The solo shots will be rated for the next day so I don't have to tally a bunch on the same day.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 14:30:58 GMT
Border: 9/10
Great power, good homing, Reimu has an amazing death bomb and a good bomb, Yukari's bomb isn't as good...
Magic: 7/10
Amazing Marisa. Alice, pretty bad, only good for certain things. Only con to Marisa is her speed
Scarlet: 7.5/10
Both have really great bombs. Remilia's shot is great and strong, but Sakuya's is pretty crap, but its a spread...
Netherworld: 8.5/10
Really powerful shots. A great spread and 360. Focused not as powerful as Border, but still great.
Survival purposes only.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 15:26:47 GMT
I'll be lenient this time and count every score and not toss anything out. Just be sure to follow the rules, guys. XP Next up is IN team shots. The solo shots will be rated for the next day so I don't have to tally a bunch on the same day. sorry, I didn't realize it was obligatory to review the shot type. also, it's worth mentioning that zengeku appears to have mixed up the Sakuya shot types a bit, saying that SakuyaA is the green helicopter one, when that is in fact SakuyaB, yet he did know that SakuyaB is the highscore oriented shot type. Border: 6.5/10 Great survival team, but too boring for my taste, and I dislike the Marisa boss fight. Objectively the team is highly capable, so I'm giving it a good rating. Magic: 3.0/10 I have no interest in Malice cannon. Honestly I should probably review the capabilities of this team sometime. I know Marisa is not bad, if I understand this team correctly, Alice is what hurts it, and having a bad Youkai is the absolute worst thing to try to work around for your team. Apologies if this is misguided since I don't really play IN. Scarlet: 9.0/10 Remilia is perfect at her role so I rely on her a lot, Sakuya on the other hand leaves much to be desired... but I find this team works out incredibly well thanks to Remi's perfection. Nether: 8.5/10 Yuyuko is good for certain stage portions, and Youmu is just crazy, but I find Yuyuko too slow for grazing and in general it's a jarring speed difference to go from Youmu to Yuyuko. Besides, if you want to be Youkai during a boss attack and you're not timing the attack down, Yuyuko is going to do low damage. Youmu solo is more to my taste.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on May 9, 2015 17:09:23 GMT
Border 9.5/10 +Small Hitbox +You can make tea in their last spell window +Ran doesn't let up, and neither do Reimu's amulets +Slow focused speed for precise movement +Never hit by familiars, even while unfocused. -Marisa, especially since this is the easiest team to fight Reimu with
Magic 7.5/10 +Eternal item autocollect +Reimu +Malice Canon -Alice sux at life
Scarlet 8.0/10 +Good bombs +Remi is very strong +Reimu -Can be annoyingly fast while focused -Large hitbox
Netherworld 5/10 +Youmu is pretty tough +Yuyuko wrecks stages -Spread shot is focused... giving them trouble with bosses -Marisa. Especially since she involves a lot of micrododging which means you want to be focused a lot
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