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Post by alzack13 on Dec 27, 2014 6:46:14 GMT
Reisen Udongein Inaba
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 6:56:40 GMT
let's go with the obvious choice
Shinki
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Zak
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Post by Zak on Dec 29, 2014 20:24:11 GMT
Flandre is insane. Literally. All forms have high attack and decent speed, with the wonderful ability of Hustle. It boosts attack, but decreases accuracy. If you have problems with rng making you miss, probably should pick someone else. Still, AFlandre's 170 attack means everything's dead if rng permits.
Base Reisen is pretty decent. She has Calm Mind access and a decent speed stat. Calm Mind boosts her SpDef as well, allowing her oto last a bit longer. Also Ice Beam as an eggmove is neato. I don't know about Reisen's Defense and Technical forms. I read about a TReisen sweep once but I dunno. Advent Reisen is one of those mons you need to stop and consider when team building. She's really popular, for good reason. 130 Speed is HUGE, and Heart/Reason type leaves her with zero weaknesses, off-set by low defenses. That said, its also quite brutal offensively.
Shinki is interesting. She has high Physical atk and def, but Calm Mind access. And Recover. Bulky mixed tank because why not.
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Post by Royalty of House Scarlet on Dec 30, 2014 4:53:38 GMT
Remilia.
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jan 3, 2015 18:41:52 GMT
To help out Zak a bit...
Kagerou is some serious bulk. 110/90/95 is very good. She doesn't need to use agility, though it is a considerable set. She has access to substitute as well. If you run Kagerou in a sand team (and I have an indiscriminate hate against sand teams) she will do very well. She can also pursuit, so she's not useless (shot). She works well as a destruction lead similar to Attack Keine, except she's not fast but bulky instead, and also has e-speed.
Flandre, I seriously don't know what Hemo was thinking when he was making Flandre. I understand he wanted to go for a 'destruction' theme, but I think he went a bit too waifu happy with her. Flandre's most dangerous form is her speed form, even with her attack form's 170 base attack and hustle, Speed is more likely to revenge kill and outspeeds A LOT of things. (Did you know that with Hustle Attack Flan essentially has a higher base attack than a 255 attack puppet? Yeah let that sink in...) Regular Flan is a good mixed attacker, so is SFlan as well. And yeah, beware of the RNGs.
Koakuma's regular form has nothing really special. Her helper form despite her not particular interesting stats, is actually pretty good. She can sub/sweet kiss which is a mean thing to do to people. She also BP those subs as well. Give her lots of HP and now you're passing some highish HP subs to your allies. Switch her in on a special puppet, and make people decide between letting a puppet go to sleep (or lum broken) or risk having to break a sub only to have a dangerous mon be bp'd in. Did I also mention Koakuma forms have levitate?
Eiki is... Eiki. Her stats make her well rounded, but the thing Eiki suffers from is her lack of movepool. If she had a better movepool she'd be a lot better. Alas, her combination of stats is what makes her useful. Bulky and fast and being able to do a very good amount of damage thanks to 110 base Sp.Atk and high powered stabs. She can run CM or bulky Wish set. Attack Eiki is meant for destruction, but suffers from once again, a lack of good movepool. DEiki is kind of pointless in that she has no recovery. Which is stupid. If you're gonna run DEiki, you might as well just run regular Eiki.
Momiji is apparently supposed to be Salamance (not mega). She has access to tailwind and can proceed to sweep. Two good priority moves (blade flash and espeed). Depending on your set you can go SD priority, Tailwind wreckage, or the weird bulky intimidate Momiji.
The only good form of Reisen is her Defense form honestly. Sub+toxic and other moves. Her normal form can run CM and all, but suffers from lack of a good movepool and other niches. Advent on the other hand is just a monster.
Shinki is a niche puppet in that she can hard wall certain sweepers (ala Attack Reimu). Has a nice defensive typing of Faith/Dark and can recovery and destroy things. She suffers from having a very low special bulk of 80/60, is slow, and a crappy movepool and a useless stat. She has 120/120 Attack and Sp.Atk but the Attack stat is mostly wasted. Only useful physical move is power whip. If she has stats of 120/80/120/120/60/60 instead she'd have even better physical bulk and higher special bulk at the same time and would no longer have a wasted attack stat.
Remilia let's see...
Her Defense form is useless (honestly).
Attack form is a complete monster. 135 attack and 120 speed. Run a banded set and watch her wreck face with her 100 bp stab. Beware of blade flashes though.
Her normal form has access to tailwind and BRAVE BURD (she ain't even a bird), so you can do stuff with that. Regular Remi is also a mixed attacker, and could potentially run a pure special set as well thanks to her learning nasty plot.
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Post by Proto on Jan 5, 2015 23:43:15 GMT
Kazami Yuuka, both Windows and PC-98 versions
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jan 6, 2015 17:52:53 GMT
Let's start with Kazami -
Her normal form is... very weird. I have literally no idea how you would run her. She has 90/90/90/90/90/90 and is Nature/Dark. Wat do.
Her Attack form on the other hand is pretty dangerous. 130 Attack with 115 speed makes her formidable. She has access to sub, and can even run a mixed set with frenzy plant to mess with the physical walls that have a nerve to stop her. Suffers from bad bulk and bad defensive typing of Nature/Flying however. Beware of Ice Shards.
Now for Yuuka -
Her normal form has over all very nice stats. 120/100/100 Defensive bulk is very nice. However she suffers from a lack a good movepool and is practical burn bait. You can try running a curse set, or a sort of supportish with leech seed or aromatherapy.
Attack Form isn't that good. Even with her very high Attack and Sp.Atk she isn't good due to her bad movepool, bad 60 speed, and not so good bulk of 90/70/70. Burn bait once again, can't hurt many things.
Her Technical form is probably her best form. She's bulkish, it's her fastest form with 95 speed, and now has an Earth stab. You can run full offensive, support, or a bulky attacker-ish. You should really take advantage of her 95 speed. You must beware of birds though. (As with all forms)
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jan 7, 2015 18:08:11 GMT
Lunasa
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Post by Zak on Jan 7, 2015 20:00:17 GMT
Thanks for the help Explosions.
*Waits this one out because I want to see what Explosions has to say on Lunasa* Right. Lunasa's base form is bulky. Though she lacks REAL recovery moves, Substitute and Detect with leftovers help her out. She also has access to Toxic which lets her wait out the opponent. Finally, she has Pain Split to help with recovery or NightShade, just to run the clock on the opponent out faster. She's hard walled by Yumeko though.
Helper Lunasa, I actually don't know. I've heard she's good but nothing about her stands out to me. Maybe I'm just dumb. .__.
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jan 7, 2015 23:01:26 GMT
Lunasa isn't a particularly special puppet, but she does the best she can do. Her normal form does a kinda good job with sub+curse. Her helper form is a pretty good trap passer. Gotta be careful when you trap pass with her though. If done right, she will do very well. That's about it.
EDIT
I also forgot to mention Komachi
Komachi's normal form is indeed about swift swimming, but it's not the only thing she can do. You see her bulk? 90/90/90. It's pretty good along with her a nice defensive typing of Water. And guess what? She has slack off. So Komachi can be a pretty good bulky attacker. OOOOOOH IF ONLY SHE HAD WILL O WISP LIKE HER SPEED FORM.
Attack Form has duo priority and SD with 130 atk and Water/Steel typing. Unfortunately her 85 speed can get her in trouble. She also lacks a really powerful stab. With STAB factored, her strongest move(s) (Waterfall and Drawn Line) is 120 BP on both Water and Steel, which is okish. She has another 120 BP move Shadow Dance, and she has own tempo so you could run that with it. You can run banded duo priority with AKoma, which is some pretty much revenge kill. AKoma also has substitute btw.
Speed Form is probably her best form. Pure water 115 speed and SDpass. She can either sweep, or pass a sweep. Pick or poison. She also has access to will o wisp and substitute so you can do some other fun stuff with it as well.
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Post by Proto on Jan 9, 2015 12:34:54 GMT
Yumemi
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jan 10, 2015 0:12:20 GMT
Yumemi is deadly. An awesome offensive typing of Reason/Ice, 125 base Sp.Atk and 120 speed. You're asking for trouble with her. Eh bulk which allows her to even survive banded blade flashes from the likes of Yumeko or Youki, and a nifty movepool. She also learns substitute so you can see where that goes. Yumemi is straight up a good puppet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 21:57:23 GMT
In case anyone still reads this, I have a lot of characters to ask about. All these, but I can only pick four shard evolutions at my point in the game because I have just north of $100k. Perhaps Zak or Kaguya Houraisan can help?
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Feb 24, 2015 1:15:07 GMT
You pretty much asked about much of the deadly competitive puppets.
Sendai (Ancestor) - This puppet is broken. 120/100/110 base stats means she is very bulk, combine that with her 130 atk and she's a deadly bulky attacker. Combine that with her great offensive stabs of Faith/Earth and very diverse movepool (Curse and Rock Bullet are particularly deadly moves) and Hakurei Miko (aka Clear body) and you have yourself a very unfair puppet. She is THE best bulky attacker in the game, uncontested and is very difficult to counter with one puppet thanks to the options she can run. It's almost like Gen V Kyogre again.
Speed Flandre - I had mentioned Speed Flandre some pages back, though it was a bit general. Speed Flandre is Flandre's most dangerous form. 125 base speed with 115 atk and hustle (115 atk + hustle basically gives her a base atk of 175) and you have yourself a deadly mon. However, she suffers from a lack of bulk (thank god) and hustle is just a very risky ability. She also has some good coverage too (with double edge and superpower, though rememeber, double edge has 90 acc and you subtract that with hustle). If you don't want to be a pure physical banded user, you can run mixed (which imo is much better) to deal with the things that hard stop you better. (i.e. Rin)
Attack Yuuka - She isn't all that good. Not that good bulk, slow, lack luster movepool, and a sorta wasted stat. (Her special attack). She hits pretty hard, but is just pretty much hard stopped by all flying types.
Attack Flandre - Just no. Don't use this thing. I will hate you forever if you do. (Jk) Seriously, what the heck was Hemo thinking when he made this thing? He went too waifu happy and a bit full retard too be freakin honest. 170 base attack and hustle means her base attack is HIGHER than a base 255 puppet. Physically speaking, she hits harder than ZFlandre (in those 1.5 hacks). She's almost ban worthy, because will absolutely annihilate anything that is slower than her. Few puppets can hard stomp her (Rin, HKagerou, her missing). I hate this thing with a passion because it goes greatly against touhou lore. rantrantrant
Technical Byakuren - She is a pretty good puppet. Basically a reverse of regular byakuren, instead of being a physically defensive and special, she's specially defensive and physical. She has access to a good offensive typing of Reason/Faith, and Swords Dance + Extremespeed. This is a really good thing. She is a very good sweeper once she gets going.
Attack Daiyousei - She's a cool puppet. She has access to natural cure and serene grace which are both pretty good abilities. (Though the former is actually reliable). She can sub+cm for some nifty damagez. She also has a nice movepool too (she has Ice beam!!). With proper support she will make a fine edition to your team.
Attack Remilia - She hits like a truck. 135 atk and 120 spe, she is something to not be messed with. The standard set is to run her banded, because you're gonna be hitting and running with her anyway with her subpar bulk. Thrash, Soar, Superpower, and Fire Punch are all good options. However, her Dark/Flying is a terrible defensive typing due to reign of blade flashing.
Attack Keine - The wallbreaker. Thanks to rock head and access to two powerful stabs, Double Edge and Head Smash and base 130 atk, she will break many walls. She also has access to Steel Fist to deal with birds. I personally run her as a lead with D-edge, Head Smash, Taunt, and steel fist to immediately wreck things.
Attack Kazami - Another wallbreaker. 135 atk (?) 115 speed, and welcome to die. She hits hard, but has terrible bulk. So you'll likely be hitting and running. She also has a pretty good special attack, so you can run mixed with frenzy plant. Another thing is she has substitute, so you can run sub+overgrow shenanigans to make people pay for hurting your people.
Advent Cirno - A pretty standard sweeper. It's a bit difficult for her to switch in, so I'd recommend her being a lead or have some sort of setup for her. Ice/Steel is a very good offensive type, and with Ice Ball and Braver, she will break faces. She also has access to tailwind and swords dance, so there you have your sweeper.
Advent Mokou - I hate this thing ;-;. She is similar to AKeine in that she's 130 atk but is faster with 115 spe. She has two powerful stabs of flare blitz and superpower. The most commmon set with AdMokou is banded. Get your momentum going, switch to AdMokou, kill. She also has pursuit to which makes her even more dangerous because if you have a weak and slow puppet, your choices are die or die. Assuming you make the correct prediction, of course. (I also remembered AKeine has pursuit too)
Advent Yukari - I'm actually not certain of what this puppet does. She has nasty plot and the legendary draco meteor, which is pretty much unresisted (unless you're a dark, dream, or ghost puppet). She also has some nice bulk, so you can do some experimenting with that too.
Advent Meiling - She can either be a really good cleric, or a pretty good offensive attacker. 120 base atk is real nice paired with her nice offensive typings of dream/heart. Dream/Heart is also good on the defensive side too, for she only has one weakness (faith). Get yourself a blazer, run fake out, agility, meteor mash, and high jump kick and you have sweeper admeiling. Run heal bell, vital throw, twister, and some other move for cleric meiling.
Yumemi - She is one of the most dangerous puppets in the game. Reason/Ice is a very good offensive typing. 125 spatk and 120 spe with substitute, Yumemi will wreck face. She also has access to fire blast to kind of relive 1.5 Fire/Ice Yumemi. Thing is the combination of Fire/Ice is a REALLY good offensive typing anywho so... yeah. SCIENCE IS TRUE POWER.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 20:46:16 GMT
Daiyousei and Koishi.
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Feb 24, 2015 23:57:40 GMT
Daiyousei - I had already mentioned her attack form, so I'll mention her normal and defense forms. Normal form is kinda lack luster, though she can do some para flinch shenanigans. She can sorta support due to her nice 120 base speed, but she isn't really a damage dealer and doesn't have much tankiness. Her defense form is pretty good. Great special bulk natural cure so she doesn't get rekt'd by toxic. Can encore and stuff to. She's pretty decent.
Koishi - Normal form is her more supportish form. She can do some sub+toxic shenanigans and has an overall decent movepool. I haven't really used her much. Attack Koishi imo is her best form. She has decent bulk, and sky high special attack and decent speed. I like to run her as a destruction lead. She can also run a bulkier set with sub+toxic. Speed Koishi is her mixed form. This is the form that can utilize self-destruct. A nice mixed movepool, and can also run trick for being a scumlord.
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Post by Aki on Feb 25, 2015 4:26:18 GMT
Sakuya
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Feb 25, 2015 12:28:28 GMT
Sakuya might've already been posted
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Post by Aki on Feb 25, 2015 12:33:45 GMT
Sakuya might've already been posted the find function doesn't come up with any hits
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Feb 25, 2015 21:35:22 GMT
He's right.
Sakuya - Normal form is pretty nice. She can hit fairly hard, and has the nice maid signature move (only maids get this move) of Sculpture - A steel type move that breaks detect with 95 power and doesn't miss ever. She also has another specific Sakuya signature move, Luna Dial which is a guaranteed freeze if the move hits (unless you're a hakurei miko, have a magic barrier or an advent). This makes Sakuya a pretty good lead. She can also run spikes, swords dance among other things. She kind of suffers from a lack of good movepool, and slightly lackluster stats. Technical form suffers from the same issues as regular Sakuya, a lack of good movepool. Her stats are a lot more balanced, no really good stats. However, TSakuya can do something regular Sakuya can't, that's run focus blizzard. Unfortunately she gets no stab (WHY NO ICE/STEEL). HSakuya is a nice tanky form. Does a good job at placing spikes and is better at freezing people thanks to her survivability. Steel/Reason while not the best defensive type, has a sort of niche in defensive typings as well.
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