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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 15:13:12 GMT
Topic was originally gonna be "Tell me a character and I'll tell you how they fare in competitive battles" but grr character limits. But yes, I'm doing this cuz I'm bored but also cuz it lets me go over all the forms and see how they function so I know what to do if I come across one or something.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Oct 23, 2014 16:09:30 GMT
Can you explain competitive touhoumon?
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 16:13:54 GMT
It's basically like competitive 4th gen Pokemon but with no Stealth Rock. I'm not really good at competitive Touhoumon but the current meta appears to be mons who don't need set-up for offensive mons (AdReisen, AKeine) and bulky walls (StarSapphire, Kaguya). Also a lot of people run AdMarisa and SMedicine and SYamame as leads so ATenshi makes a nice anti-lead between SHAKE DA TERRA and Taunt.
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Post by Emeraldfox on Oct 23, 2014 16:39:20 GMT
Mamizou
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 16:48:41 GMT
Mamizou is good enough for the competitive community to make an analysis topic on her. She makes a very good lead that actually manages to scare off my ATenshi because Nature Typing. She has above-average speed at 105 Base and has 120 SpDef and 100 HP, which is quite amazing for someone who has existing speed to have existing defense as well. Hard to break subs aren't fun. And Suika's Sand Stream boosts her SpDef even higher (Beast replaces the Rock-type and therefore gains the 50% SpDef boost) and she has Whirlwind so she can be VERY annoying if used right.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Oct 23, 2014 16:48:47 GMT
I see A-VIVIT
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 16:52:44 GMT
Angel VIVIT is generally usable only by certain opponents in hacks and aren't obtainable to the player in hacks that aren't made by Aichi, therefore she's generally not considered. She has alright stats, 120 SpAtk and 90 in everything else but her level-up set is somewhat clunky (I don't have access to her TM learnset at the moment) but she has Recover so if you know what you're doing she might last a while.
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Post by the maus on Oct 23, 2014 16:53:22 GMT
Nazrin
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 17:09:04 GMT
Base Nazrin has access to Swords Dance And Tailwind, so you can choose whether you want to double her attack and go off her base 105 Speed or boost both of them by 1.5 at once (Tailwind acts just as Dragon Dance does).
TNazrin is weird because it lowers her speed to 80 (which is below average) and boosts her SpAtk to 115. It also gives her 105 base Defense but with only 60 HP you shouldn't try and rely on bulk. She still has Swords Dance so you can make her a mixed setup sweeper if you're into that sorta thing. Quite a bit of effort, I'd run base Nazrin over her.
HNarin is a support mon, with access to Swords Dance and Baton Pass and Substitute. She can also pass SpAtk boosts with Charge, although you're required to hit with it (so Protect stops it) and it only has a 70% chance of boosting. She's usually massive Taunt-bait unless you're running Charge. She also has 80/100/110 bulk, which is nice considering they cut her speed even further down to 60.
Also note that all Nazrin forms are Beast type so she's friends with Suika as well.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Oct 23, 2014 17:10:13 GMT
Utsuho
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Post by Emeraldfox on Oct 23, 2014 17:17:46 GMT
Good ol' Mamizou
Byakuren
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 17:23:51 GMT
She's Fire/Flying, enough said. ...is what I would say if the Rock type wasn't replaced with Beast. All the attacks that have to do with rocks (Rock Bullet, etc.) were put into the Earth type. Which is Ground and carries Ground's inability to hit Flying, so no double weakness for her. I'm not too certain on Base Utsuho. She has 130 SpAtk but 100 Speed, so she's alright but can be outsped. She also has 100 Attack so she can be a mixed attacker if you want her to, with access to Thunder Punch and explosion. She has access to Sunny Day as well, so you can have fun with that.
SUtsuho... I got swept by one on my first ever match trollol. She has 120 SpAtk and a rather great 125 Speed. She also has access to Sunny Day, and has the Speed to make use of it. She's not very bulky, so don't try to have her set up against someone with Aqua Jet, since priority punch. That said once you DO set it up her water weakness is effectively eliminated since Sunny Day halves water attacks, and she has Solar Beam as well. Fire Blast/Flamethrower boosted by STAB and Sun kills lots.
Attack Utsuho has 90 Speed but 170 SpAtk. Yeeeeah... Baton Pass a speed boost onto her from Lily Black or something and set up Sun and make things die.
All forms have Blaze and Fire Veil as their abilities. Fire Veil prevents RNG hax by keeping her from getting frozen by the ice attacks she's weak to for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 17:35:01 GMT
Do one for Pokémon. \o/
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 17:35:33 GMT
Base Byakuren is somewhat defensive, with 90/115/70 bulk and access to Calm Mind, which boosts her 120 Base SpAtk even farther. Access to Wish provides her recovery, but you have to choose between a 2nd Attacking move for coverage or Detect for reliable recovery. Also take note she's weak to four relatively common attacking types (Youki after a Tailwind and AKeine both 2hKO her even if Bold with 252 Defense IVs) which makes her bulkyness kinda gimpy.
DByakuren exchanges her Defense for HP, putting her at 150/90/90. She's still left with Calm Mind and Wish, but also loses the Faith type to have her at pure Reason and thus with only 3 weaknesses, which is better for a defensive puppet.
TByakuren is a physical attacker with 120 Attack and 90 Speed. And 115 SpDef. not that her speed matters much because she has access to Swords Dance and Extremespeed. That's all I have to say, give her a Wedding Dress (boosts Illusion/Normal moves by 20%), Swords Dance once or twice, and Extremespeed everything except Ghosts. Oh wait she gets Shadow Hit to run over ghosts that aren't named Youki or Youmu too, how nice.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Oct 23, 2014 17:35:55 GMT
... The General Pokemon thread already exists for that, Shirley
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 17:36:06 GMT
Smogon does that already though.
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Post by the maus on Oct 23, 2014 17:37:35 GMT
You are going to have your time cut out for you, Zak.
In the spirit of the SA competition do one for Aya!
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Post by Zak on Oct 23, 2014 17:54:44 GMT
Aya mm? Aya's main spiel is that she has Speed Boost. All forms do.
Base Aya is alright. She has 90 Attack and pretty much infinite speed since at base 110 she pretty much outspeeds every unboosted mon in the game after one turn with adamant nature and 64 Speed IVs. Fake Out is better than Detect because it almost GUARANTEES her a first turn boost while also doing damage. She has access to Tailwind as well boosting her mediocre attack to non-mediocre levels. Finally she has Spikes which lets her set them up as a lead if you want her to. Also Extremespeed but in all fairness you might as well run STAB attacks considering her Speed is so high that it doesn't matter.
TAya gives up Fake Out and Tailwind for 115 Attack. She's apparently considered OU but I'm not really seeing how other than outspeeding everything and generally being annoying, considering her low Defenses leave her easily killed by strong Blade Flash users.
SAya is one of the only mons to get herself banned. Speed Boost and Tailwind alongside Baton Pass is scary, because passing +1Atk+2Speed is scary. Even if you don't want to pass she still has notably higher Attack than her base form, and although she doesn't have access to Fake Out she can easily plop a Sub, use Tailwind, and start killing everything.
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Post by Emeraldfox on Oct 23, 2014 19:14:41 GMT
Neat
Parsee
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Post by ZM on Oct 23, 2014 20:50:00 GMT
Sanae.
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