Proto
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Post by Proto on Dec 23, 2015 19:42:11 GMT
I wanna remind all players that this isn't like a standard Mafia game where the majority are Town who don't know anyone and try to lynch scum, while the Mafia know each other and try to blend in to pretend like Town. In this game, there are two Mafia teams, and they all know exactly who they need to protect, while the Shrine Maiden would try to blend in to pretend like Mafia. So for players who are trying to play like Townies: please stop, it's not very productive. Start voting for people, try to identify your targets, and eliminate them. Anyhow, looking through the results of D1, ZM was lynched a little too easily. I suspect that the late voters, namely Javex ( vexoftheabyss) and Fellow Anti-Lewd VN Reader Sparta Kick Amalgamate ( A Certain Remilia) are probably Babysitters, since Sisters / Shrine Maiden would probably avoid attracting attention to themselves for pushing / causing an early hammer. Of the remaining three players, temmie (@timotheth3god) is the most suspicious since he was actually active after ZM hit L-2 but chose to vote for me for a silly reason (for pinging him). ##Unvote: Javex ##Vote: temmie
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Post by Crystal Clear on Dec 23, 2015 19:58:53 GMT
I guess ZM being the shrine would've made too much sense (and now that I think about it, it was kinda dumb to vote for him, that would've been too obvious and this game would be boring). Maybe Proto is just pinning other people in order to hide his real identity (aka the shrine maiden), but I'm not really sure of that, he may just interrogate people, which is not a bad thing, although he does this in a very agressive way. Vex invoking the hammer was probably accidental, but who knows, it could be intentional. Vex, you weren't that reasonable, you probably just wanted him dead, so is there any other reason besides "suspecting him"? Proto, you're pretty aggro. I have no problem with interrogating people, the problem is that you cast out a vote after that too. Why is that? I suspect both of you for now, however, no voting for now, I don't want the unintended person to end up like ZM.
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Proto
It looks kind of like a big fluffy muffin!
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Post by Proto on Dec 23, 2015 22:49:54 GMT
Proto, you're pretty aggro. I have no problem with interrogating people, the problem is that you cast out a vote after that too. Why is that? Why I cast a vote? Because that's what gets stuff happening. People can say whatever they want, and they don't need to worry about not behaving Townish because there's no Town in this game in the first place. The most effective way of getting reliable data is by placing out actual votes, since it contributes to an actual possibility of lynching that may provoke genuine reactions. You can try to abstain from voting, but that's not being very productive since people can say anything and you'd have a very hard time gathering useful data that way. Surely you don't want the game to run through random lynch decisions with very little deductive reasoning in the process, do you? Whether you're a Sister or a Babysitter or a Shrine Maiden, you have two targets that need to die for you to win. If the players just stay quiet and refrain from voting, you'd have a very hard time narrowing your targets and (if you're not a Shrine Maiden) getting your faction to be subtly united against the enemy. The more activity we have, the more data we can analyze, allowing us to more effectively attempt to lead our faction to victory.
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relick
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Post by relick on Dec 23, 2015 23:42:02 GMT
##Unvote: sans ##Vote: Proto
I have some suspicions about potato being the shrine maiden, so I wanna get rid of him early or get some evidence which changes my mind.
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Ariezza
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Post by Ariezza on Dec 23, 2015 23:55:52 GMT
Fellow Anti-Lewd VN Reader Sparta Kick Amalgamate
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Post by vexoftheabyss on Dec 24, 2015 1:09:24 GMT
I 'msuspect Proto now, but for now I'll stay my hand. Tbh I feel like he is spinning a web, making us move at his pace, which is already pretty suspicious in and of its own.
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Proto
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Post by Proto on Dec 24, 2015 11:57:20 GMT
##Unvote: sans ##Vote: ProtoI have some suspicions about potato being the shrine maiden, so I wanna get rid of him early or get some evidence which changes my mind. Suspicions based on...? Also, what kind of "evidence" are you looking for? There are no roles in this game that can provide "evidence" that I'm not the Shrine Maiden. The only evidence I can think of is my flip upon death, but you wouldn't really be able to change your mind after I'm lynched. Buruma! I 'msuspect Proto now, but for now I'll stay my hand. Tbh I feel like he is spinning a web, making us move at his pace, which is already pretty suspicious in and of its own. Move at my pace...? As opposed to...? Not moving at all?
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A Certain Remilia
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Post by A Certain Remilia on Dec 24, 2015 12:01:32 GMT
##Unvote: sans ##Vote: ProtoI have some suspicions about potato being the shrine maiden, so I wanna get rid of him early or get some evidence which changes my mind. Suspicions based on...? Also, what kind of "evidence" are you looking for? There are no roles in this game that can provide "evidence" that I'm not the Shrine Maiden. The only evidence I can think of is my flip upon death, but you wouldn't really be able to change your mind after I'm lynched. Buruma! I 'msuspect Proto now, but for now I'll stay my hand. Tbh I feel like he is spinning a web, making us move at his pace, which is already pretty suspicious in and of its own. Move at my pace...? As opposed to...? Not moving at all? Quite like... Unmoving? Are we???
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Post by relick on Dec 24, 2015 12:32:37 GMT
##Unvote: sans ##Vote: ProtoI have some suspicions about potato being the shrine maiden, so I wanna get rid of him early or get some evidence which changes my mind. Suspicions based on...? Also, what kind of "evidence" are you looking for? There are no roles in this game that can provide "evidence" that I'm not the Shrine Maiden. The only evidence I can think of is my flip upon death, but you wouldn't really be able to change your mind after I'm lynched. Don't contradict yourself. My suspicions are solely what I'm extrapolating from the behaviour I've seen, there's no evidence here, as you say. No one else has made an effort to find information, so, it may just be a coincidence, although still, I think you're a good enough player it's not worth risking. And yes, it is possible for my mind to change before you die, based on how you and others react to you being close to death, or what you do whilst investigating.
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Proto
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Post by Proto on Dec 24, 2015 23:58:59 GMT
Crystal Clear A Certain Remilia vexoftheabyssDo you really think abstaining from voting and not talking is going to help your faction? How do you intend to narrow down the two targets that you need to kill this way? Leave it up to random chance based on how lynches go?
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Ariezza
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Post by Ariezza on Dec 25, 2015 0:12:13 GMT
First time prod sent out to Vex, Tim and Crystal, with cheesy broomstick. Tentative informal prod to Reimi. Guys, it's sometimes hard to initiate/join in discussions, but Mafia is a game of talking, and it's not gonna talk itself. In order to win, you should and need to try to discuss more. Lurking and waiting and bandwagonning hurt your team before anything else. If you find it difficult, try quoting people and speaking your thoughts about what they said. Give a little thought to everything. Oh and, happy Christmas and merry New Year.
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Post by TimoteTh3God on Dec 25, 2015 1:23:01 GMT
i was busy the whole day .w. anyway Proto, you seem to be getting aggressive. Perhaps its the Yuuka miniprofile speaking, but you seem rather on edge. Only adds to the suspicion. Listen, I don't know what your "game plan" is, perhaps its some elaborate scheme where we turn on each other, but you better tone that aggressive attitude down, otherwise the people you pinged will wind up voting for you. You already got two votes against you, you wouldn't want anymore and get kicked out of the game this early, would you?
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Post by Crystal Clear on Dec 25, 2015 2:07:17 GMT
I agree with Proto, without voting there wouldn't be much action around here. Well then, voting out the most suspicious to me ##Vote: sans " Proto, you seem to be getting aggressive." He was agressive from the beginning of the game tho, but he has a fair point. "You already got two votes against you, you wouldn't want anymore and get kicked out of the game this early, would you?" And then you threatened him that he should stop being this aggro or else he'll get voted, most likely because you want him to unvote you or something (although I do agree that being aggro is risky)
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Post by vexoftheabyss on Dec 25, 2015 7:51:20 GMT
I'm getting a feel that something is afoot, two candidates on my list so far, but voting for the most suspicious one first. a.k.a. ##Vote: Proto
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Post by Ariezza on Dec 25, 2015 8:03:41 GMT
I have no gift.
No gift. u_u
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Post by A Certain Remilia on Dec 25, 2015 8:07:48 GMT
First time prod sent out to Vex, Tim and Crystal, with cheesy broomstick. Tentative informal prod to Reimi. Guys, it's sometimes hard to initiate/join in discussions, but Mafia is a game of talking, and it's not gonna talk itself. In order to win, you should and need to try to discuss more. Lurking and waiting and bandwagonning hurt your team before anything else. If you find it difficult, try quoting people and speaking your thoughts about what they said. Give a little thought to everything. Oh and, happy Christmas and merry New Year. aaaaaactually here's the vote. Uhhh... ##VOTE: sans
EDIT; UH DAMN. LOST IT.
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A Certain Remilia
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Post by A Certain Remilia on Dec 25, 2015 8:09:29 GMT
Also, I apologize for being so inactive. - u -'' Been busy these past two days. Prepping up funds for a new rig, but ALAS, today which was supposed to be my day of buying that new rig... I just knew shipping prices were so damn high, I can't even afford it. Now I'm stuck with the 2nd choice of buying something even higher but at a local place here.
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Well, just a random thought of voting. Up there. sans was supposed to be my vote, but eh. I was so late to respond in that. But uh, could be... by this round. Not that I have suspicions raised over sans... It's just a rush vote for me not to get modkilled. fffffff
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Post by Ariezza on Dec 25, 2015 8:14:27 GMT
No editing posts Double (triple, quadruple, countlessnumberofmeat-le posts like mad instead. Anyway, to folks who have been busy, it's okie dokie. Just find time to hunt down your enemies and squish them. Remember, your priority is to hunt for those who oppose you/your faction.
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Post by A Certain Remilia on Dec 25, 2015 8:21:34 GMT
No editing posts Double (triple, quadruple, countlessnumberofmeat-le posts like mad instead. Anyway, to folks who have been busy, it's okie dokie. Just find time to hunt down your enemies and squish them. Remember, your priority is to hunt for those who oppose you/your faction. Uh, squinting kitty. e.e;; It's scarier than how much I want to sell this Pentium for a Core2Duo.
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Proto
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Post by Proto on Dec 25, 2015 13:26:40 GMT
Alright, I've looked through the ISOs and tried to imagine them from a Shrine Maiden's perspective, and I've decided to ##Unvote: temmie ##Vote: JavexWell because I actually suspected ZM of being the shrine maiden, and that's pretty much it Aniue. I didn't percieve the situation as a disadvantage I guess would be it. Every time I look at this, it sounds like something that a Shrine Maiden would NOT say. And that seems to be more prominent than its actual meaning at face value. Suspected ZM as being the Shrine Maiden...? Based on what, me pointing out that his avatar and sig are of shrine maiden Sanae? Because that's a pretty silly reason to suspect someone of being a Shrine Maiden. And you never expressed anything of this sort in your two posts in D1. No, what makes far more sense to me is that you designed your response to be something that players would not expect a Shrine Maiden to say. It's a classic Mafia strategy: say stuff that you'd expect Townies to say so that players feel inclined to think of you as Town without making it seem like you're putting in effort to defend yourself and sound Townish. Saying that you suspected someone else of being a Shrine Maiden carries the implicit assumption that you're not the Shrine Maiden yourself. Javex being the Shrine Maiden would explain his activity in D1 as well. His top priority as a Shrine Maiden was self-preservation; he doesn't have any allies that he'll want to subtly unite with, but as the numbers thin down his chances of shooting the Sisters get higher. He started with a neutral post asking what's going on, trying to avoid taking sides and drawing attention. But after he got pinged and ZM was at L-1, he realized that ZM would be a really easy lynch because I was the one who was being really aggressive about it, so he figured that the rest of the players would be blaming me for ZM's death and not him. So he hammered ZM. And on D2, he would justify his vote as being him genuinely suspecting ZM as being a Shrine Maiden and not suspecting the hammer to put them in a disadvantage: an innocent and naive response that subtly implies that he's not the Shrine Maiden. And then after Kasha starts voting for me, Javex finds this to be a good opportunity to raise his suspicions on me and then vote for me, because again, the players would probably blame Kasha for my death and not him. And the fact that I pushed ZM's lynch on D1 and was pushing people to vote on D2 made me seem like an even safer target, as somebody trying to "spin a web and making us move at his pace" tl;dr - Javex's actions so far appear to be opportunistic votes that appear to be really safe (i.e. he's not the one drawing in most of the attention in the respective bandwagons), and a post that carries the subtle implication that he's a Shrine Maiden but is otherwise a really silly defense. Sounds like a Shrine Maiden to me. ##Unvote: temmie##Vote: JavexOh, and this is actually a legit serious vote and not a pressure vote: I genuinely think Javex is the Shrine Maiden and I want him lynched.
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