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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 20:56:23 GMT
I wanted to help out with the project, but then it turns out it started without me, or most of the people who volunteered for that matter? It's not really all that fair, I wanted to help out as much as the rest of you- not only that but i doubt it'd be easy if only four people to deal with it all- so it seems unfair and unexpected, and a bit harsh that we're given the shaft like that without so much as a word edgewise.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Aug 4, 2015 22:02:13 GMT
Hiya. This is the wrong place to put this, or even at all. Talk to the person who suggested this idea in the first place, or talk to one of the staff about it in IM, but posting about how you never got a position won't solve anything, especially in a place where said creator can't do anything Best regards
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Post by ZM on Aug 4, 2015 22:10:05 GMT
Actually this is the right place to discuss something like this.
Situation isn't currently resvoled yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 0:56:42 GMT
I wanted to help out with the project, but then it turns out it started without me, or most of the people who volunteered for that matter? It's not really all that fair, I wanted to help out as much as the rest of you- not only that but i doubt it'd be easy if only four people to deal with it all- so it seems unfair and unexpected, and a bit harsh that we're given the shaft like that without so much as a word edgewise. From what I understand, ZM intended the original thread as a gauge of interest. I'm honestly a bit confused as to why he deleted it afterwards though. I figured it would be been useful as a reference for the future if we need more managers. Hiya. This is the wrong place to put this, or even at all. Talk to the person who suggested this idea in the first place, or talk to one of the staff about it in IM, but posting about how you never got a position won't solve anything, especially in a place where said creator can't do anything Best regards It's the feedback board. I cannot comprehend your line of logic, or lack-thereof.
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Post by Old Shadow Account on Aug 5, 2015 1:42:31 GMT
It's the feedback board. I cannot comprehend your line of logic, or lack-thereof. ... Is that so? (Really, I saw it as a complaint, looked and misread context, again, all you need for this is a "Is that so" and I'll be on my way.) So again I say, "Is that so?"
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Post by Syaro on Aug 5, 2015 5:53:12 GMT
To sum it up before I explain anything, it was ZM's fault. Kind of. It was a misunderstanding between ZM and Zig.
When Zig originally suggested the scoreboard, he had in mind that only a few people would take care of it, as it is done on MotK. It's a format that works well, as long as those person don't get lazy. However, ZM misunderstood that, opened the thread for the "volunteers", but later realized his mistake (hence the deletion of it), as that situation would have turned much into a problem like the shmupsfarm has, where everyone opens a thread and then half of those threads never get updated. I don't know exactly what ZM and Zig talked about precisely, but I assume it was, among others, choosing people from the "volunteers" who seemed like they would stick with updating the scoreboard. I assume they chose Zengeku, Mino and Yoishi because they know them personally rather well and were sure that they wouldn't just stop updating the scoreboards. There was probably more, but I don't want to speculate too much. And apparently, as ZM said in here, the situation isn't completely resolved yet. Idk what's still missing though. I am, after all, just an outsider in this matter with a little more knowledge than most others.
In the first place, having multiple people for one scoreboard (as was the case with the volunteers) makes no sense because if you're not the OP, you can't edit the scoreboard, which means you would need to be a moderator. And having 15 extra mods for the sake of the scoreboard is just a tad ridiculous. Only a little bit. I hope I could clear up whatever questions you had regarding this. Don't feel bad about not being chosen as one of the people for the scoreboards, I assure you it's a work so boring you will fall asleep doing it.
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Post by Zigzagwolf on Aug 5, 2015 9:16:11 GMT
To sum it up before I explain anything, it was ZM's fault. Kind of. It was a misunderstanding between ZM and Zig. When Zig originally suggested the scoreboard, he had in mind that only a few people would take care of it, as it is done on MotK. It's a format that works well, as long as those person don't get lazy. However, ZM misunderstood that, opened the thread for the "volunteers", but later realized his mistake (hence the deletion of it), as that situation would have turned much into a problem like the shmupsfarm has, where everyone opens a thread and then half of those threads never get updated. I don't know exactly what ZM and Zig talked about precisely, but I assume it was, among others, choosing people from the "volunteers" who seemed like they would stick with updating the scoreboard. I assume they chose Zengeku, Mino and Yoishi because they know them personally rather well and were sure that they wouldn't just stop updating the scoreboards. There was probably more, but I don't want to speculate too much. And apparently, as ZM said in here, the situation isn't completely resolved yet. Idk what's still missing though. I am, after all, just an outsider in this matter with a little more knowledge than most others. In the first place, having multiple people for one scoreboard (as was the case with the volunteers) makes no sense because if you're not the OP, you can't edit the scoreboard, which means you would need to be a moderator. And having 15 extra mods for the sake of the scoreboard is just a tad ridiculous. Only a little bit. I hope I could clear up whatever questions you had regarding this. Don't feel bad about not being chosen as one of the people for the scoreboards, I assure you it's a work so boring you will fall asleep doing it. You hit the nail right on the head in pretty much everything you said there, there was a big misunderstanding between me and ZM; this almost turned out in a kind of anarchial approach, which is exactly the opposite of the format I had in mind. The more centralised approach will and shall: Update the board frequently; use correct formats, this makes sure that there won't be 3 boards for one game or 3 OP's for one game, this also means we shall never have to deal with transferring scores simply because "a board had to be deleted due to the OP being a lazy butt" Our format and the team I discussed with ZM based on their qualifications; shall do everything in their power to update the boards, to get the boards correctly; furthermore, to make sure the boards are as correct as possible. I don't get the commotion why an idea that shouldn't even have passed, that was a misunderstanding, that simply wasn't meant to even be an existant thing, is being missed by people. Is it possibly that they per se wanted a form of authority? Since that would definitely be childish. Nobody in the team aims for having authority per se, we just want what everyone wants when they enter a scoreboard, to have great moderation; a scoreboard that's open to everyone because it's updated and put up as correct as possible. And not to use the search function to go through clusterf*cks of inactive scoreboards.
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Post by nameschonvergeben on Aug 5, 2015 9:21:40 GMT
Are you going to post the rest of your boards then?
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Post by Zigzagwolf on Aug 5, 2015 9:22:56 GMT
Are you going to post the rest of your boards then? Yes, I had to sleep yesterday before I could do the MS, EoSD and IN board. But I'll get them up within a short time. My apologies for the inconvenience in case this has been a bother towards you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 6:44:53 GMT
This post is for what happened with the highscore board incident recently, and how many opportunities were unfairly taken away. Please comment on what is right about this situation, as in, is it right to remain like tihs, to make something different perhaps? Please post on what you yourself think about this incident. This goes beyond an operating program, it goes onto what a fair program is, and this is something you'll decide.
EDIT: Meant to post on Kalas' thread
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Post by relick on Aug 6, 2015 9:25:40 GMT
Who are you talking to vex? The process of what happened was badly managed, yes, and could potentially be construed as unfair. However, the outcome, is anything but unfair, based on what zig wanted from the beginning.
This is not the time nor place for you to be learning how to run a scoreboard. What we want is a functional board, not a chaotic one. I don't see how carefully considering you as a volunteer, and then deciding that others were better suited to the job is unfair? I mean, isn't that how all jobs work? The best applicant is chosen. It's hardly unfair if you didn't make every effort to show you were better than the others chosen.
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Post by Zigzagwolf on Aug 6, 2015 10:53:54 GMT
This post is for what happened with the highscore board incident recently, and how many opportunities were unfairly taken away. Please comment on what is right about this situation, as in, is it right to remain like tihs, to make something different perhaps? Please post on what you yourself think about this incident. This goes beyond an operating program, it goes onto what a fair program is, and this is something you'll decide. EDIT: Meant to post on Kalas' thread The management of the applicants was something I and ZM didn't speak about at first due to a misunderstanding, nobody that applied was qualified and showed any qualifications back then. We aren't unfairly taking away what wouldn't be given anyways, simply because this kind of management would never have passed so this kind of insinuation you're making is not just more than stupid, it's smearing wounds in a mistake 2 people made. But if you're willing to be this ego-centered then that's fine. Your complaint is basically saying that we wanted to have a chaotic board in which anyone can do whatever board they want with 2-3 people while they wouldn't be able to edit each other's OP or they'd make multiple threads, besides this is not about giving experience or getting experience, but having experience. Which the team which was later on spoken about with me and ZM does have. We aren't saying that the earlier applicants didn't have any of this, but how we assemble the management is our business and not yours. It's also not yours to make silly insinuations and to 'boycott' an entire section, but that doesn't matter since honestly, there're many people who understand how something should be managed; who're thankfull for what we're doing so far. It's not a job but it's a task you must still have the qualifications for. Besides, what makes you think of 'a fair' program actually? This wasn't an educating program for managing things, this was about people who already had experience; people I wanted to assemble in a list with ZM before the mistakingly, not to be taken seriously thread in question was posted. The only reason that you're acting like this is because you didn't get the moderation of the HRtP thread, which, you're not qualified for and I'll guarantree you that your childish acts so far won't ever get you a moderation role in my team. I agree to what Relick said about the management having been poor, but there hasn't been any bias towards any group, ZM and I only want a group which is capable of getting things around and the people I assembled all have knowledge on how scoreboards work as well as the management of them, even if the people came from specific groups their stance remains entirely neutral simply because this is a board that's open to the entire forum to post in, not one that's limited to any specific group. There's no 'unfair' there's only 'that's sad to hear' in the worst case, I can understand that people may not like it to hear they aren't assigned to a task here but if you got a company you want your workers to do a good job, so they have to be qualified and rated. This process is one that of course can't be seen as benefitable for everyone, simply saying it's 'unfair' because you didn't get a role means you're a hypocrite. Honestly a hypocrite, saying that you find it sad to hear that you didn't get the assignment is of course only reasonable, but if you're only aiming for a specific kind of power then you should, not in any way, be allowed to partake. Simply because this is about a working system and not about a system giving 'roles of power' away to other people. that's arrogant and selfish to think and whoever thought this way should seriously be ashamed of theirself. To finish it, I can post the logs I had in a private convo with you here and show exactly on what you were aiming Vex, don't be hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 11:45:22 GMT
I actually think it's quite strange to want to do this so badly as to start multiple conflicts with people, to treat this as any kind of job you need a qualification for or to want to use the scoreboard as some kind of training ground. It flies right over my head when considering what possible kinds of experience you aim to gain out of this that you cannot otherwise attain using the other countless methods available to you. There are only 2 things you need for a thread like this: 1. Don't screw with people's scores. 2. Stay active (which entails making sure you aren't kicked out of the forum, or leave it because of some emotional outburst). Both are skills so basic, both of which you can attain proficiency in it by being a normal mature human being, training ground or not.
There is also this.
I really cannot understand what the big deal is about this management thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 12:32:39 GMT
If there is one thing I am not it's a hypocrite, post those logs away Zig, but if you do you better not miss a part, I've never done anything for myself, apart from eating and breathing, this is for fairness and for everyone else who was booted.
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Post by Zigzagwolf on Aug 6, 2015 12:52:24 GMT
If there is one thing I am not it's a hypocrite, post those logs away Zig, but if you do you better not miss a part, I've never done anything for myself, apart from eating and breathing, this is for fairness and for everyone else who was booted. Alright, except you were never actually part of the team, not at any point so you didn't get 'booted' out of the team, the boot I gave you is pretty much your will to make misunderstandings vocal and to ask for an unreasonable compensation. Even moreso by portraying me as someone who never wanted to allow other people in. That's more or less creating a shadow for someone else and it's a bit childish if you can't understand how things went. I'm fine with you having your subjective opinions but rather to insinuate someone else based on what you think they think, why not try to understand what they say and to take out the points of both sides? Since in my eyes you did not try to listen. pastebin.com/Y7zKPQAgpastebin.com/MB0vn2ywYou said it's fine, so if you're going to complain about how I actually posted them then that would only be like saying that your consent was worthless. besides I'm also a human, I like to eat stuff too! Ever ate a pizza? those're delicious with the right ingredients! I also like to drink water and stopped drinking soda because it's bad for my health, guess I'm a human too huh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 12:57:07 GMT
Please be civil while on the forum. Rule number 1 of the code of conduct is as follows:
If there is one thing here, it was not mutual respect. Further rule infringements will not be appreciated.
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Post by Zigzagwolf on Aug 6, 2015 13:32:31 GMT
I'm sorry for having had a poor management that had to disappoint many people for not being accepted as applicants, that was a very poor mistake and hereby my apologies to everyone who didn't get accepted.
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