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Post by Syaro on Jul 16, 2015 15:04:06 GMT
I think Isokaze is my favourite, not yet too sure. as of KanColle, I might either ever play it or never play it. Solely depending on when I'll get good internet; my motivation to play by then. Wouldn't stop with Touhou for it though, which would be strange anyways since it's kind of a-click-and-idle game..? taking that image if you're not gonna play it get the fuck out of the thread, if you do, i'll welcome you with open arms Also you don't need good internet to play, it'll just take a while to load so.. In the same breath I want to ask you why you are the root admin of a Touhou forum if you have no intention of playing any of the games. it's really funny basically saying "fuck off, secondary" when you are one yourself of the franchise this forum is supposed to be about. Now, personally I don't even care much if you're a Touhou secondary. There are many of them, and nearly everyone is partly one themselves. That's absolutely okay. But what isn't okay is your absolutely unjustifiable behavior as both a user of this forum as well as the root admin of this forum. This isn't the first time you are abusive towards another member and you've more than once during my stay here acted arbitrarily as a staff member because you didn't like what you were reading (e.g deleting posts instead of moving them as it seems to be custom here or "accidentally" deleting a user account. Banning members without warnings beforehand). What you are doing is treating us not as equals, why that is, I can't tell even if I do have my assumptions. Treating the members of your forum as people of equal standing in threads like this one should be the minimum amount of respect you ought to show. Acting as someone from above is something that ought to be done only when someone breaks the forum rules, which, by the way, you have broken quite a bit yourself. As a root admin - or staff member in general - you have a duty to uphold the rules and act as a role model. Now, of course, if this is what this forum is supposed to be like, then I will feel free to make fun of people, call them names and be as uncouth as I possibly can be. Acting as a proper role model who upholds the forum rules is just another part of a staff member's duties, much like managing threads, the database and potentially handing out bans if necessary. You will see by this post that to manage a forum there isn't much room to be a spoiled child on a playground. It's difficult work. If you do not want to put in all that work, then there are three ways for you to handle this: Either you step down as a staff member, the forum falls to ruin or you better your ways significantly. Of course, as you are the root admin, there is nobody above you and therefore you can not be forced to do any of the sort, but even so I am sure you will see that the third possibility is the most attractive for everyone involved (although I am sure there are some who would like to see you step down, rather than waiting for you to mature). But do know that even if you are untouchable, possibility two will certainly come eventually. Now, it's easy to say "Well, if you don't like it, you can just leave" and that is certainly true. I can just leave this forum alone and never come back. But the reason I am writing this post is not because this is only about me. I know that several people share this view or similar and I am sure there are even more I do not know about. If you tell everyone to leave, then this already small community is going to shrink even further. A forum lives due to its members. Everyone leaving is the same as this forum not existing. There are forums with over 1000 members, but my late grandparents are more lively than those forums are because they have been completely abandoned. Due to a bad staff, or due to growing disinterest; the reasons are diverse. I will say it again: Keeping a forum, a community, alive is difficult work. I suggest that if you are not willing to invest that work, then you either truly step down or delete the forum outright to prevent a slow, torturous death. Now, the reason why I chose to write this post is, as I said before, I know there are people here who share my view, and again, I am sure there are more I do not know about. But that doesn't mean everyone is comfortable with voicing their opinion themselves; or simply start doing so. There are people who value their current relationship with you over the state of the forum, but doesn't mean that they don't care about the forum. And that is absolutely fine. This is all I have to say. I hope this actually will make you think about how you handle your forum, but judging by recent trends I fear this post will be gone before tomorrow comes. I can only hope.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 17, 2015 17:14:15 GMT
I've been a friend of Alicia's for a year and a half, but I can agree she needs to put in more effort. And learn to Touhou
Having someone who doesn't play Touhou much on staff is beneficial, but they still need to take responsibility. So yeah.
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Syaro
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Post by Syaro on Jul 17, 2015 18:19:18 GMT
Having someone who doesn't play Touhou much on staff is beneficial Sorry, but I don't see how it's beneficial. Some people are bugged by it, I don't mind as I see no negative points necessarily. But I also definitely see no benefit in it. Will you elaborate what benefits those might be, please?
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 17, 2015 18:59:42 GMT
Having someone who doesn't play Touhou much on staff is beneficial Sorry, but I don't see how it's beneficial. Some people are bugged by it, I don't mind as I see no negative points necessarily. But I also definitely see no benefit in it. Will you elaborate what benefits those might be, please? It makes the place feel more welcoming of those of low skill levels. If every staff member was superplayer skilled, less skilled people could be intimidated out of joining.
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relick
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Post by relick on Jul 17, 2015 19:54:44 GMT
Sorry, but I don't see how it's beneficial. Some people are bugged by it, I don't mind as I see no negative points necessarily. But I also definitely see no benefit in it. Will you elaborate what benefits those might be, please? It makes the place feel more welcoming of those of low skill levels. If every staff member was superplayer skilled, less skilled people could be intimidated out of joining. It's not about being a superplayer. It's about actually playing the games that are the focus of the forum.
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Post by nameschonvergeben on Jul 17, 2015 20:20:11 GMT
Nobody said that every staff member should be a superplayer. Personally, I think the best way to go would be to include all sorts of touhou fans: Good players, novice players and lots and lots of secondaries. Because that represents the community.
Now what I'm wondering is whether our root admin could even be called a touhou secondary. I'm under the impression that she is not, although I don't know her well at all. Imo, the only reason it matters is because the root admin has a more important role than the other admins. If it was a regular admin I wouldn't care if they had never touched the games.
Edit: To reiterate that second part: Only an exceptionally good admin should deserve the role of Root Admin. I don't think that's what we're getting.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 17, 2015 20:59:00 GMT
She's played IN and HM, but she's not very good at all.
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Post by relick on Jul 17, 2015 21:27:59 GMT
Nobody said that every staff member should be a superplayer. Personally, I think the best way to go would be to include all sorts of touhou fans: Good players, novice players and lots and lots of secondaries. Because that represents the community. Now what I'm wondering is whether our root admin could even be called a touhou secondary. I'm under the impression that she is not, although I don't know her well at all. Imo, the only reason it matters is because the root admin has a more important role than the other admins. If it was a regular admin I wouldn't care if they had never touched the games. Edit: To reiterate that second part: Only an exceptionally good admin should deserve the role of Root Admin. I don't think that's what we're getting. I heavily agree with this. Most forums just have the root admin account unused other than when necessary, but in the cases that the root account IS used, it's usually by an exceptional admin. What's happening here is precisely why so many forums have the root separate from the accounts being used for posting etc. - that way bad admins can be removed and no-one is irremovable and unaccountable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 23:25:10 GMT
..Some of us who are quiet do want to share opinions, and although I get negative feedback for my opinion, as I rarely ever post here now, I do agree with you on this. I was kind of ran off of the forum, so I generally just lurk and hide, due to personal reason. However, if we even share opinions like this, some can be told things like,
"Why are you still here?"
"I have reason to ban you over comments like that"
Among other things. Being banned over an opinion is pretty pathetic. I do agree with you on everything you said above. Apparently, from what I heard a long time ago, someone or some people tried asking her at one point if she would consider stepping down or something, and she said no and wouldn't explain her reason. Honestly, I am glad you decided to post this, as you also share the exact same view I am coming from on a lot of different things, and could very well possibly be a close acquaintance toward me. Do not be surprised if this does wind up deleted, however..things do tend to go "missing" by "accident."
..That is all I have to say. ...Back to hiding in the shadows..~
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Post by relick on Jul 17, 2015 23:35:37 GMT
..Some of us who are quiet do want to share opinions, and although I get negative feedback for my opinion, as I rarely ever post here now, I do agree with you on this. I was kind of ran off of the forum, so I generally just lurk and hide, due to personal reason. However, if we even share opinions like this, some can be told things like, "Why are you still here?"
"I have reason to ban you over comments like that"Among other things. Being banned over an opinion is pretty pathetic. I do agree with you on everything you said above. Apparently, from what I heard a long time ago, someone or some people tried asking her at one point if she would consider stepping down or something, and she said no and wouldn't explain her reason. Honestly, I am glad you decided to post this, as you also share the exact same view I am coming from on a lot of different things, and could very well possibly be a close acquaintance toward me. Do not be surprised if this does wind up deleted, however..things do tend to go "missing" by "accident." ..That is all I have to say. ...Back to hiding in the shadows..~ You hadn't actually mentioned any of your supposed problems with the forum until now, so forgive me if I come off abrasive for telling you to go away when all I see you do is: - Complain about some vague unknown problems with the forum - Don't contribute whatsoever, so is completely unaffected by the decisions taken here I honestly feel like you're wasting your time by not just stopping, trying to get things done and then, if it gets done, stay, and if it doesn't, just leave. It's not like this is the only touhou forum in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 0:16:12 GMT
First off I’m going to mention something that is probably common knowledge by now. Alicia was joking with Zigzag. They are friends and that is what friends can do with each other. Before accusing someone of hostility you might want to ask the receiving party if this was a joke or not.
Granted, since Alicia addressed people in general, she is in the wrong to an extent. I can agree with that and we have already spoken to her about it.
I like your opinion of secondaries. It’s cool. I don’t understand how the word “secondary” can be used as a derogatory term anyway. But I’m getting off track.
What I am to point out now might sound a lot like defending Alicia, but I’m not. I agree that she gets out of line and we, as other members of staff, are trying to prevent her from doing so and attempting to help her ‘mature’ faster- An effort largely ignored by your post.
What I want to know is how exactly you came to your rather intense conviction that: Alicia was acting arbitrarily as staff for the specific reason that she ‘didn’t like what she was reading’. This, is just not true and even if it is, it wouldn’t have been approved of by the rest of the staff and would have been rectified. Well let’s have a look at the evidence you provided… First point- Her deleting of the post itself earned her a scolding, one I am sure you are familiar of. Secondly, it was a one-time incident, and to my knowledge as administrator, she has not disregarded this ‘custom’ before. The accidentally deleting a user account wasn’t even done by Alicia, it was an accident by ZM. Despite what you insinuate by putting the diction of ‘accidently’ in quotation marks- It was most likely legitimately an accident since ZM had never banned anyone before, thus making it a likely accident to make. This combined with the fact that we gain nothing by deleting MLG’s account- makes me doubt the notion that it was on purpose. To my knowledge we also did not ban anyone who had never been warned for no good reason. If she had done something as stupid as this, it would never be approved by the rest of the staff and would have been rectified posthaste. Such things can only happen with the approval of the majority of the entire board of staff and thus almost always has a very good reason why it happened.
While your assertions of Alicia’s sub-standard behaviour as root admin is, in and of itself, true to a large extent, what I can gather from the evidence you provided is that you’re more focused on generating an emotive message, rather than attempting to bringing forth any conclusive evidence that she is an incompetent root admin, since none of your examples stood up to scrutiny. If you are wondering about how exactly you might be able to extract such ‘evidence’, I say “The staff logs located in a dropbox and forum announcements is as good a place as any”. There you would be able to understand that Alicia is not the one that calls the shots or has any more influence in forum matters since, as stated in the forum announcements:
All potential bans are subjected to a staff discussion as soon as possible. If it is agreed that the ban was not justified, then the victim shall be released immediately with a formal apology.
If the punishment persists, while the victim feels that it is not justified, they are recommended to appeal to a staff member directly or via the appeal system, and explain their case. We will try our best to ensure that justice is served.
I agree. The rest of the staff are trying their hardest to fix Alicia’s attitude problem, and the reason why we bother- you mention it later in your message.
Actually I don’t agree with the idea that a staff member should act as someone “above” should be done at all. It doesn’t make for a very effective strategy in terms of diplomacy.
Your point about her breaking her own rules is a good one. We will try to fix this. Perhaps we can set warns on her and make her suspend herself for a while or something. We’ll try to work something out based on this suggestion, thanks. Moreover, you’re welcome to report any posts that you feel violates the forum rules; it would make the staff’s lives easier and we will be grateful.
You know, I still don’t understand why you’re only looking at Alicia. I’m pretty sure anyone else from the staff team are good role models in terms of posting on the forum. Please don’t ignore us for no reason, we’re important too.
I’m surprised you haven’t realised that Alicia does not manage these matters since almost every announcement pertaining to your list of topics was made by one of the other members of staff.
I’m glad you understand the difficulty of forum management. We agree as well.
This is the part that motivated me to point out all the assumptions you’ve made. Surely, if you ever bothered to look into the logistics of our forum management, you would have realised that it is almost never Alicia’s sole responsibility to ensure the forum’s continued survival. This makes it highly unlikely that the forum will fall to ruin even if Alicia continues being her immature self.
That being said we agree that the utter destruction of the forum at the hands of Alicia should be prevented at all costs. This is why we try our best to ensure all major actions, such as member banishment, are discussed as a staff TEAM as opposed to the root admin alone. Something, you would have realised, was heavily debated in another thread in the feedback section that I don’t think you read.
Please don’t. As I said, all the evidence points against Alicia’s domination over forum matters. You’re focusing so much on her, I’m beginning to doubt you are even aware there is a staff *team* at all.
We agree with all of the above and we are trying very hard to prevent her from saying these irresponsible things.
Well, not everyone is leaving. Anyone who bothered to read the announcements is staying, at least since they’re less concerned about Alicia’s supposed tyranny and more about, you know, reality.
The activity is actually going UP since the rest of the staff are competent and are preventing this slow torturous death.
Thank you very much for voicing your opinion, Shizuku and please, by all means, continue to do so.
But I would still suggest you look into what you are writing about, before writing about it. The staff logs, ban procedure and even staff code of conduct are made available to you. This forum is not about the staff, it’s about the member’s input as well. The biggest changes that has occurred on this forum was thanks to member suggestions and member involvement in staff procedures. We thank you and everyone who is willing to voice their opinion. But I do, idealistically hope, that future claims about the forum and its staff are sufficiently substantiated with solid evidence.
I guess you can rest easy since it’s in the limelight right now.
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