What defines a superplay to you?

To the Touhou Community, it means someone who's proficient in a certain Touhou game or others..

But for me, it means someone who has had a big achievement through a Touhou game. For example, ASL won the IN extra stage world record with all solo shots except for Marisa.

To me, a superplayer is one who plays at a world record level in several difficult games ideally, although it doesn't necesarily have to be the case. Simply being extremely good at their game of choice would be sufficient but I still find the real superplayers to be one who isn't just the best at one given thing but also exceptional at a bunch of other things.

Afaik. Yuusuke is a beast at PCB but he also has like 6b in IN as far as i know. Shin is god at UFO but has good scores in just about any game before it. KG and SOC are both people who might not be the best of any particular field but they're just at high levels in just about any respect. ZAP has held world records in Mushihimesama Futari, Ketsui and Dodonpachi Saidaioujou afaik. SWY has claimed WR tier stuffs in several other titles as well iirc. What really strikes me as super not just being good at one thing but being good at basically everything you touch.

Still though, i can respect people who reach insane levels in just one thing too. It doesn't strike me as AS impressive but still far beyond what normal good players will reach. Which kinda is what superplayer implies. One who is above other players.

I don't like the obsession with the term however and it seems its being tossed around too liberally and I don't want to see people chasing the 'title'. It's pointless anyway, clearly anyone can be superplayer provided they can find something that gives a lot of scrubs some trouble, memorize it and then show their results to someone easily impressed

ASL has the world record with every shot for the extra stage, teams and solo characters alike. Marisa included. I don't know where you get the idea that he doesn't have that one. And currently he isn't even in any danger of losing any of those runs as no one I know of is proficient enough to actually do so, aside from perhaps Sakurei (who, I have heard, has computer problems and can't play).

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A superplay is a very high level scoring run, simply put. It doesn't have to be a world record to be a superplay, but at the same time not every world record is a superplay. There some really unrefined ones, after all. Let's take Imperishable Night for an example:

Over 6 billion on lunatic is superplay, but it's not world record, is it? On the other hand, there are quite a few records for the game that are simply unoptimized because the categories aren't popular at all, like some solo youkai finalA runs.

A superplayer is, to me, someone who can consistently play at a very high level and "easily" get great scores on any given run. For example, Alan sometimes has runs where he seems to fail everything, but he still somehow scores very high.

But as Mino said: The term is very vague. Everyone's definition is different. To some people, clearing a game on lunatic with no bombs might be super. I think for the most part, it's really a matter of perspective. Some players are very hard on their runs even if they score in the top percentage of the category, where others can only dream of being. I don't think time invested is a criterion. You can get really good at a game with just 500 hours, but you can also still be bad after 3000. It depends on what you do with the time you're playing.

You didn't answer my question: Where did you get that idea from? I guarantee you that ASL's 2.6b run with Marisa is the current world record. If you are referring to ASL's Wikipedia page, then I have to tell you that it hasn't been updated in 1500 years. Please understand that I would prefer you to inform yourself before posting false truths.

That's true. They haven't really been updated for at least 2 years now. The high score page itself gets updated every now and then and states that the WR for solo Marisa is pretty much exactly 2.6b. I assume she looked at ASL's page instead, which is not up to date.

I have no definition for superplay. I think it's best to avoid the term completely.

Superplay is a very subjective word. When I started playing, I thought anything post-lunatic is "superplay". I thought the superplayer were thir own league, who noone should compete with. But what I've now realised is that, with the exception of only very few specialists, these superplayers can be matched by anyone. It just takes time. Players are constantly rising to superplay levels. There are player at every skill level, and finding a cutoff for superplayers is impossible.

Nowadays a lot of people accepts that Gobou is a superplayer. There is pretty much no difference between Gobou a day before he got the WR and a day after he got it, so it doesn't make sense to say that getting the score is what made him a superplayer. I would say the other players who grinded for over a year to try to get 5bn are also superplayers, even if they couldn't reach it. There are always people who are just slightly further behind, so it's hard to say there's a point where player becomes superplayer. Comparing between players who specialise in different games makes the job even harder.

I do, however, think that there are certain things which should never qualify as superplay. Doing something in stage practice or spell practice, not in a full run, is not superplay. Because capturing VoWG is (comparitively) really easy without the pressure of an entire run. Also, something which thousands of players are capable of, like LNB, is not superplay. Superplay should be reserved for the best of the best, and LNB definitely isn't impressive enough for that.

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Ugh, I always hate when people think this. Superplayer is NOT subjective at all. In the strictest sense (as is what the STG community generally defined), superplayer merely means someone who have godly (or decent/good at the very least) score in one or (preferably) several games. It's not something you got by having a giant list of 1ccs or capturing some hard spells. Hell, I even have trouble classifying someone who 1cc'd Futari Ultra or 2-ALL DOJWL (both of which are a lot harder than a Touhou Lunatic clear) as superplayer.

My definition then:

Nazrin at No.1 => Mousterful superplayer elite of mousterful extreme.
Nazrin at top 10 => superplayer
Nazrin at mid high => good player
Naz at 50-70 => average player
Naz at lower => Scrublord
Naz at Sub-100 => Maximo Scrublord with 15000 posts

Yeah, seriously speaking. Arguing over the use of the word superplayer is kinda silly at this point. Obviously the low class players will be easily impressed and not understand that a superplayer is one that is actually "super" but that's their business. Just understand that using wrong terminology invites other people to laugh at your mistake that you still insist on making even after being called out on it. :>