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Post by relick on Apr 11, 2015 13:25:23 GMT
(of course, this could have been in the mega-thread but I think it would be better to keep this discussion in another thread)
What do you guys think the final character list will be?
Currently confirmed are: Reimu Marisa Kasen Byakuren Miko Mokou Shinmyoumaru
The rest of the HM cast were in the code dump from the demo, as well as a character named Hanako.
I personally think that this Hanako will be the silhouette from the demo and so will be in. I also think the rest of the HM cast will not be in. Possibly some characters from DDC such as Kagerou, Wakasagihime or Sekibanki; and characters from the early games that have not had much availability like Eiki, or characters from the later games like Satori or Murasa (considering the Palace of the Earth Spirits and the Palanquin Ship stages, they seem probable to me).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 13:27:00 GMT
no.
I'm personally up for having Sakuya and Sanae again. Specially Sanae. I bet Sanae will be in.
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Post by Aki on Apr 11, 2015 13:30:33 GMT
Needs more SDM.
I also hope Kaguya would be in, because Mokou vs Kaguya would be a fun fight to have.
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Post by ZM on Apr 11, 2015 13:33:39 GMT
no. I'm personally up for having Sakuya and Sanae again. Specially Sanae. I bet Sanae will be in. Sanae won't be in. Why? Because the datamine doesn't lie. As much as I'd love for that to happen, Sanae won't be in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:39:46 GMT
WE MUST HAVE A KAGUYA. NO KAGUYA, NO HAPPINESS!
But Miko is great! And Byakuren!
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Post by relick on Apr 11, 2015 18:40:54 GMT
WE MUST HAVE A KAGUYA. NO KAGUYA, NO HAPPINESS! But Miko is great! And Byakuren! I think, there is still a decent chance Kaguya won't be in. Although it would be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:43:00 GMT
I'll still hope. Maybe 14.8 or 15 if not now ;-;. I do agree it will be awesome (Kaguya IS awesome).
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Post by Royalty of House Scarlet on Apr 11, 2015 18:44:15 GMT
I'm having exceeding doubts of anyone from the grassroots youkai network being possibly available considering early stage characters are suspiciously ignored and have generally less characterization than penultimate characters with great plot significance.
Regarding Eiki, this incident probably doesn't concern her duties, which consequently would be of minuscule relevance to her. As a counterargument, ZUN establishes ways to feature characters believably, however.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:50:51 GMT
After ULiL I could easily see Sukuna's, Mokou's and Kasen's popularity going up. Not that these characters aren't already popular.
I really will not stop hoping Kaguya will be playable soon...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:51:06 GMT
Didn't see this earlier, I'm all in for Sakuya, as in I bet all my meatballs and even all of my friends' meatballs. So what's it gonna be ZUN? What's it freakin' gonna be?
>CALL >FOLD >NIGERUNDAYO!
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Post by relick on Apr 11, 2015 18:56:08 GMT
I'll still hope. Maybe 14.8 or 15 if not now ;-;. I do agree it will be awesome (Kaguya IS awesome). That's a thought, actually, some of the characters not used now could have some relevance in 14.8. I'm having exceeding doubts of anyone from the grassroots youkai network being possibly available considering early stage characters are suspiciously ignored and have generally less characterization than penultimate characters with great plot significance. Regarding Eiki, this incident probably doesn't concern her duties, which consequently would be of minuscule relevance to her. As a counterargument, ZUN establishes ways to feature characters believably, however. Of course, you only need to bring up HM with Nitori and Koishi to see how seemingly random characters could be implemented. I can understand it might be difficult with Eiki, though. And for the network, I find it more likely that it would be one of them than another character from the early series (thinking about how Soku's and HM's characters were chosen).
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Post by Royalty of House Scarlet on Apr 11, 2015 18:59:51 GMT
For those considering Kaguya being featured, as is widely acknowledged, they were both moderately programmed, and were supposed to be featured in a previous installment, which gives Twilight Frontier an advantageous circumstance considering Kaguya's play-style was likely heavily developed, and would just have to be transitioned from the IaMP/SWR/UNL system to the HM/ULiL system, which could hold some significance given the differences in game-play. And with the inclusion of Mokou, I, too, suspect she'll be playable. ZUN dare anger the Princess?
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Post by Royalty of House Scarlet on Apr 11, 2015 19:02:30 GMT
I'll still hope. Maybe 14.8 or 15 if not now ;-;. I do agree it will be awesome (Kaguya IS awesome). That's a thought, actually, some of the characters not used now could have some relevance in 14.8. I'm having exceeding doubts of anyone from the grassroots youkai network being possibly available considering early stage characters are suspiciously ignored and have generally less characterization than penultimate characters with great plot significance. Regarding Eiki, this incident probably doesn't concern her duties, which consequently would be of minuscule relevance to her. As a counterargument, ZUN establishes ways to feature characters believably, however. Of course, you only need to bring up HM with Nitori and Koishi to see how seemingly random characters could be implemented. I can understand it might be difficult with Eiki, though. And for the network, I find it more likely that it would be one of them than another character from the early series (thinking about how Soku's and HM's characters were chosen). That's exactly why I retracted my statement and made a counterargument against it. The implementation of characters with an irrelevant position in that situation nearly always arises, as it creates some character diversity considering the majority of incidents involves the metaphysical aspects of Gensokyo, and not every characters has such strong connections to its establishment, neither. So it's only natural. If Touhou 15 is, as previously hypothesized, a Phantasmagoria-style game, the grass roots characters are absolute contenders for being playable. Here, I have some pronounced objections to that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:12:23 GMT
Yeah. That would be brilliant if she is playable, even if she will be in future games. Also 15 might be like PoFV? That's awesome because PoFV was fun!
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Post by relick on Apr 11, 2015 19:23:32 GMT
That's a thought, actually, some of the characters not used now could have some relevance in 14.8. Of course, you only need to bring up HM with Nitori and Koishi to see how seemingly random characters could be implemented. I can understand it might be difficult with Eiki, though. And for the network, I find it more likely that it would be one of them than another character from the early series (thinking about how Soku's and HM's characters were chosen). That's exactly why I retracted my statement and made a counterargument against it. The implementation of characters with an irrelevant position in that situation nearly always arises, as it creates some character diversity considering the majority of incidents involves the metaphysical aspects of Gensokyo, and not every characters has such strong connections to its establishment, neither. So it's only natural. If Touhou 15 is, as previously hypothesized, a Phantasmagoria-style game, the grass roots characters are absolute contenders for being playable. Here, I have some pronounced objections to that. I have a feeling Touhou 15 won't be a phantasmagoria game, unless ZUN is in the mood to continue a pattern (which I don't know his track record on but I'm fairly sure he doesn't care about following patterns ) Of course, if he wants to make another phantasmagoria game, then 15 is the prime time to do it considering the massive character base to choose from between 10 and 14.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:26:42 GMT
There are many awesome characters from 10-14 who would be cool in a phantasmagoria game. Especially for Rin and Shou who need to be playable ST5 bosses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:29:22 GMT
Well to be fair Peter his games are all about patterns so........
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Post by Royalty of House Scarlet on Apr 11, 2015 19:30:11 GMT
That's exactly why I retracted my statement and made a counterargument against it. The implementation of characters with an irrelevant position in that situation nearly always arises, as it creates some character diversity considering the majority of incidents involves the metaphysical aspects of Gensokyo, and not every characters has such strong connections to its establishment, neither. So it's only natural. If Touhou 15 is, as previously hypothesized, a Phantasmagoria-style game, the grass roots characters are absolute contenders for being playable. Here, I have some pronounced objections to that. I have a feeling Touhou 15 won't be a phantasmagoria game, unless ZUN is in the mood to continue a pattern (which I don't know his track record on but I'm fairly sure he doesn't care about following patterns ) Of course, if he wants to make another phantasmagoria game, then 15 is the prime time to do it considering the massive character base to choose from between 10 and 14. Where exactly this hypothesis originates from is surprisingly mathematical. Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream was the third official installment, and Phantasmagoria of Flower View being the ninth official installment, a six installment difference. Touhou 15 is directly six games in succession to 9. Moreover, 9 was released upon Touhou's tenth anniversary, and 15 on its twentieth, which creates a convoluted yet promising premonition. If this mathematical formula is correct or not, that is soon to be tested.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:33:12 GMT
Well what if it's instead something like a base 3 thing (which I really hope it isn't like that because 27 is too far off.) Or it's based on whims? Only time can tell, and maybe a few leaks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:33:18 GMT
Because patterns! If it is a phantasmagoria there are certain characters I want playable. You can guess who.
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