initiusZ
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Post by initiusZ on Oct 11, 2015 22:29:43 GMT
Hiya everyone, as I said in my introduction I love the lore of the series, and the newest game probably has the best yet! I'm interested in discussing certain topics with people (who knows, maybe this can be a regular thing?) so I thought to start off with something from Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom.
For those who don't know, the heroines set off in LoLK mostly due to a sudden presence by Lunarians in Gensokyo. Thie was spurred on by Junko and Hecatia's plans to force the Lunarians off of the Moon, all the while the Lunarians were unable to fight back because of Junko's purification power. Even though it was a last resort plan, the Lunarians fully intended to vaporise Gensokyo and everyone living there and relocate the Lunar Capital to a barren Gensokyo.
My question to you is whether or not you think they were right to do this. While at first it might seem that the Lunarians were put into a sticky situation, as Junko notes during the Extra dialogue, it was also a method of blackmail - "leave us alone or Gensokyo gets it!" On the other hand, Sagume's dialogue seems to imply that she didn't want it to happen and possibly regretted attacking Gensokyo. However, it is also important to note that even though it was supposedly a last resort, it was in fact Plan B after relocating the Dream World failed.
I personally believe that the Lunarians hold some sort of disdain towards Gensokyo and they were happy to use Junko's attack as a means of destroying it, even though there were plenty of other plans they could have enacted before resorting to killing lots of people (especially bearing in mind they are the Lunarians and some of them are Gods!) so in my mind they were not right to do it.
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Post by jpsuperplayer on Oct 11, 2015 23:54:02 GMT
Wait wait. LoLK was about a lunar invasion? I seriously thought this was what happened: pastebin.com/7tYwcJJs |
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Oct 12, 2015 0:20:06 GMT
Wait wait. LoLK was about a lunar invasion? I seriously thought this was what happened: pastebin.com/7tYwcJJsThe Lunarians invade Gensokyo because Junko is a drama queen and tries to force them off the moon to get at Chang'e I dunno if Junko was aware that Chang'e was a convicted criminal though... |
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Post by alzack13 on Oct 12, 2015 1:42:07 GMT
Well, I'm fairly certain that Junko and Hecatia's plan was to exterminate the Lunarians, not simply drive them off.
Regardless, it would honestly depend on who you asked. As a third party, we would just have to pick a side we like more.
From the Lunarian point of view, they were running from something they could not fight, and they had already tried escaping to the dream world. So, to preserve their existence, they decided to raze and re-colonize Gensokyo. Whether or not THAT was necessary is a better question. They probably could have just co-existed, but they abhor anything impure so I don't think they would like that plan.
From the Gensokyan point of view, they were being invaded by some lunar assholes who wanted to exterminate them, so they definitely don't think it was the right thing. But I can imagine some people wouldn't mind the coexistence plan.
TL;DR- As a more or less unbiased third party, I'd say that their decision to invade Gensokyo isn't exactly wrong, seeing as it was kind of their last option, but the fact they wanted to raze it isn't right. Of course, this is an unfortunate part of their culture (or something), so perhaps coexistence was never an option in the first place.
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Post by MauserZGK on Oct 12, 2015 13:04:44 GMT
No they weren't. They should be ashamed of what they've wrought.
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initiusZ
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Post by initiusZ on Oct 15, 2015 18:43:11 GMT
Well, I'm fairly certain that Junko and Hecatia's plan was to exterminate the Lunarians, not simply drive them off. Regardless, it would honestly depend on who you asked. As a third party, we would just have to pick a side we like more. From the Lunarian point of view, they were running from something they could not fight, and they had already tried escaping to the dream world. So, to preserve their existence, they decided to raze and re-colonize Gensokyo. Whether or not THAT was necessary is a better question. They probably could have just co-existed, but they abhor anything impure so I don't think they would like that plan. From the Gensokyan point of view, they were being invaded by some lunar assholes who wanted to exterminate them, so they definitely don't think it was the right thing. But I can imagine some people wouldn't mind the coexistence plan. TL;DR- As a more or less unbiased third party, I'd say that their decision to invade Gensokyo isn't exactly wrong, seeing as it was kind of their last option, but the fact they wanted to raze it isn't right. Of course, this is an unfortunate part of their culture (or something), so perhaps coexistence was never an option in the first place. I can see where you're coming from; however, I don't think that invading Gensokyo was actually a last resort, despite what the Lunarians say. That's what leads me to believe they were wrong to do it so quickly. |
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Post by alzack13 on Oct 15, 2015 19:49:40 GMT
Well, I'm fairly certain that Junko and Hecatia's plan was to exterminate the Lunarians, not simply drive them off. Regardless, it would honestly depend on who you asked. As a third party, we would just have to pick a side we like more. From the Lunarian point of view, they were running from something they could not fight, and they had already tried escaping to the dream world. So, to preserve their existence, they decided to raze and re-colonize Gensokyo. Whether or not THAT was necessary is a better question. They probably could have just co-existed, but they abhor anything impure so I don't think they would like that plan. From the Gensokyan point of view, they were being invaded by some lunar assholes who wanted to exterminate them, so they definitely don't think it was the right thing. But I can imagine some people wouldn't mind the coexistence plan. TL;DR- As a more or less unbiased third party, I'd say that their decision to invade Gensokyo isn't exactly wrong, seeing as it was kind of their last option, but the fact they wanted to raze it isn't right. Of course, this is an unfortunate part of their culture (or something), so perhaps coexistence was never an option in the first place. I can see where you're coming from; however, I don't think that invading Gensokyo was actually a last resort, despite what the Lunarians say. That's what leads me to believe they were wrong to do it so quickly. What evidence suggests the contrary? They had already tried the dream world. I can maybe understand that they could have had a way to fight it, but I don't believe there's any canon backing for it. |
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