narius
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Post by narius on Feb 27, 2016 19:05:47 GMT
I want to 1cc this game already i've tried far too many times to count but i STILL CAN'T DO IT. I will attach a replay of my most recent attempt. th6_01.rpy (40.8 KB)
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Post by ZM on Feb 27, 2016 20:08:54 GMT
Welcome to Eientei!
Didn't watch your replay since I'm not currently on my computer, but I recommend you just practice the spots in which you had the most trouble. :) I assume Stages 4 and 5 are the culprits, so perhaps take some time to get used to those stages, then go for the 1cc again.
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nameschonvergeben
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Post by nameschonvergeben on Feb 27, 2016 20:40:04 GMT
Welcome to Eientei, narius!
Your dodging is good enough and your bomb timing is pretty accurate. The biggest mistake I'm seeing is that you're not under the boss often enough. Maybe you'd benefit from using Reimu B or Reimu A (who also has a strong bomb). Make sure you're underneath the boss at all times while bombing or after getting hit, no attacks outside of stage 6 should cost you more than one bomb. Ending the hard attacks quickly will save you a lot of resources
EoSD gives you extra lives when you hit 50mil and 80mil, so I would try to do a little PoCing throughout the run. Don't go all out, just find some safe places to PoC in practice mode and you should get at least the 50mil extend without any problems.
Stages 4 and 5 could do with a little more practice, since you lose resources to streaming sections a couple of times. You might also want to try doing the start of stage 5 at the top of the screen, it saves you from any dodging. You can cheese midboss Sakuya at the top of the screen too, but it'll cost you a life, so only do it if you're inconsistent at her. Stage 6 could've been better but I assume you haven't unlocked practice mode. I think 3 lives at the start of stage 6 will be enough.
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Post by ZM on Feb 27, 2016 20:43:02 GMT
EoSD gives you extra lives when you hit 50mil and 80mil *40m and 60m
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narius
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Post by narius on Feb 27, 2016 20:45:15 GMT
Thank you, I hear ReimuA shot type is horrible and when I try ReimuB patchouli tears me a new one, I just can't deal with her ReimuB spellcards. Also is being under the boss when bombing really that important? And what things can be streamed that i lost resources too?
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Post by ZM on Feb 27, 2016 21:00:39 GMT
Thank you, I hear ReimuA shot type is horrible and when I try ReimuB patchouli tears me a new one, I just can't deal with her ReimuB spellcards. Also is being under the boss when bombing really that important? And what things can be streamed that i lost resources too? ReimuA isn't that bad of a shot, so don't worry too much. She makes stages easier, though her bosses are a bit worse compared to the high power shots. If you bomb with ReimuB's bomb point blank, it'd do a lot more damage compared to bombing away from the boss. Stage 4 as a whole has a lot of streaming sections.
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Post by alzack13 on Feb 28, 2016 3:19:00 GMT
I haven't seen the replay, but judging by the comments I'd gander you're getting done in by some stage 4 bits and stage 5. There are a lot of things on both stages you can stream, especially stage 5. When those bullets shoot out in the circular pattern, from both the left and the right, they're aimed at you. So if you tap to the left or right after the bullets have been fired, they should fly right past you. I know that took me quite a while to realize.
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Post by MauserZGK on Feb 28, 2016 6:10:44 GMT
Welcome to the flock, let's see if we can't help you get stronger at this game eh?! You're indeed correct in your thinking that ReimuA is a weak shot, because she's pretty bad. I like to see a newbie using the more powerful direct shot types because those are the ones that will give you the best results if you use them properly.
The thing is though, as of now you don't. You don't seem to have a very good grasp on the controls yet which is something that takes time to develop, so hang in there. I saw you burn a lot of resources on patterns where I think you could probably follow what was going on, but just lacked the confidence in your movement to go through. You also don't seem to know the stages very well yet, so try to work a little on that.
Remember that enemies will always come from the same places every time so you can kinda create yourself a little path through the stage that will let you avoid dangerous situations entirely, or at least as much as possible. Try to make a plan that lets you go to the top of the screen sometimes to gather up all the items since you get extra lives at 10,20,40 and 60m if i'm not mistaken. 60 million isn't a lot of points so don't feel scared about it. Also I'd recommend turning off the extra lives you start with, normally people consider these extra lives to be training wheels and for clears to be done using them to not really count, but if you insist you can keep using them, you won't be judged for it. Using training wheels is legit.
Another thing i noticed is that you failed to kill the midboss on stage 5 which means you didn't get the extra life she holds for you. I'd recommend checking up a replay for general paths through the game and strategies for patterns. You'll learn that they make a world of a difference!
Also, are you using vsync patch? Its a patch that can eliminate input latency that will otherwise really mess with your dodging and make it a lot worse than it needs to be.
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nameschonvergeben
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Post by nameschonvergeben on Feb 28, 2016 10:48:31 GMT
Also is being under the boss when bombing really that important? Yes. Your shot still does half the damage it normally does and the bomb itself is weak if it doesn't directly hit the boss. Also is being under the boss when bombing really that important? And what things can be streamed that i lost resources too? Stage 4: Those spinning enemies that shoot 6 bullets at a time at you: They aim directly at you. Either stream slowly next to the middle bullet or quickly outside from otside the bullet triplets. They costed you 2 bombs but you could also come up with much safer routes through the stage. Stage 5: Stream the fairies which shoot rings of bullets at you. Just do small taps and stream horizontally, not vertically. Midboss Sakuya's second attack is also streaming.
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narius
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Post by narius on Feb 28, 2016 17:05:31 GMT
Thanks for the help, i tried streaming the things that shoot 6 bullets at you at a time in stage 4, for some of them it worked, but some of them i got hit. So not ALL of those fairies can be streamed, or at least not horizontally. Also yea in regards to the stage 5 midboss i used to just cheeze it by staying up top, but then i learned if you kill it you get an extra life so i tried to play it legit, then i learned its almost impossible to kill in time as her misdirection spell card does not give you enough time to break it.
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Post by alzack13 on Feb 28, 2016 17:38:21 GMT
Thanks for the help, i tried streaming the things that shoot 6 bullets at you at a time in stage 4, for some of them it worked, but some of them i got hit. So not ALL of those fairies can be streamed, or at least not horizontally. Also yea in regards to the stage 5 midboss i used to just cheeze it by staying up top, but then i learned if you kill it you get an extra life so i tried to play it legit, then i learned its almost impossible to kill in time as her misdirection spell card does not give you enough time to break it. misdirection protip: As soon as she moves to one side, go to the other side. Not only will this place you under her after she teleports, it's also generally easier to dodge the knives and kunai over there. It'll take some tries to get it right, but I promise it works and it's possible to break it.
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narius
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Post by narius on Feb 29, 2016 17:46:34 GMT
Tried your tip on misdirection, still can't break it. Ugh why does that stupid spell card have such a strict time limit.
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Post by nameschonvergeben on Feb 29, 2016 21:07:47 GMT
Everything in misdirection on normal is directly aimed at you, you can use that to your advantage and do small taps in one of the 2 spots she goes to (of course not directly in the spot, but at the bottom below it, so that you can hit her). Doing it like that should be an easy cap every time
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Post by alzack13 on Mar 1, 2016 2:25:37 GMT
Tried your tip on misdirection, still can't break it. Ugh why does that stupid spell card have such a strict time limit. I can relate, tbh, that card gives me trouble a lot as well. Just keep trying and eventually it'll click.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 17:12:05 GMT
Hi narius, I saw in your replay that stage 5 was the big choking point. Your bombing is good but as pointed out you need to try to stay under the boss more (But dont kill yourself doing so ). I, personally, find that her mid boss card is easiest when you always stay to one side of the screen under where she usually teleports. This saves you from darting across the screen which reduces the likely hood of the kunais being really hard to dodge. If you stay to say the left and twitch dodge to the right then back to the left on the 2nd cycle you should be able to kill her in 2-3 cycles. That means you get the all important life As for her non spells I cant really help as they are something I am not too good at myself. Her 1st and 2nd actually boss card can be made easier if you take the 1st one at the bottom of the screen and only move horizontally or misdirect all the knives to one side and dodge the rice on the other side. The 2nd is easier if the knives spawn up higher so try to move closer to her but not so close that she insta kills you with the rice bullets. About half way between her and the bottom "should" be okay (Dont take that for gospel). I know its a little wordy, sorry about that Good luck on your runs
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narius
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Post by narius on Mar 9, 2016 1:15:31 GMT
Ok I mastered misdirection, tried to 1cc the game with the standard 3 lives and you want to know what happened. I lost, with exactly 1 second remaining on the timer of Remilias last spell. It hurts so badly, i experienced the 5 stages of grief in 5 seconds flat and my chest hurts.
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Post by ZM on Mar 9, 2016 1:46:35 GMT
Ok I mastered misdirection, tried to 1cc the game with the standard 3 lives and you want to know what happened. I lost, with exactly 1 second remaining on the timer of Remilias last spell. It hurts so badly, i experienced the 5 stages of grief in 5 seconds flat and my chest hurts. I'm sure we all experienced failure at the very final spell of a game at some point... Don't let this discourage you! You're almost there. Show us a 1cc!
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Post by MauserZGK on Mar 9, 2016 5:40:42 GMT
1 second left on the timer? You are supposed to shoot her down way before you get to that point yo. Here's a piece of advice that might help. Use stage practice until you can capture every attack at least once, that way you'll get a better picture of what to use your resources on which may help with preserving some of them so you have more room for error, not wasting bombs on things you can do and stuff.
Sounds like you are closing in though, so you should keep trying. Almost there.
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narius
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Post by narius on Mar 9, 2016 20:13:48 GMT
Finally done. After a full year of playing this game i've finally 1cc'd it. Took me bloody long enough. I did die in a couple of really stupid ways and Remilias last spell took 2 bombs and a life from me but I still bloody did it. th6_01.rpy (49.62 KB)
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Post by alzack13 on Mar 9, 2016 20:50:30 GMT
Congrats man! It always feels good to clear something you've been working on for a while. What's next?
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