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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jun 8, 2015 11:46:28 GMT
Who's the better boss?
You can use any criteria, difficulty, prettiness of patterns, fun of the fight, etc.
Personally, I like both. Eirin has Curse of the Heavens "Apollo 13" and Leading God "Omoikane's Device" while Kaguya has Impossible Request "Budda's Stone Bowl" and Impossible Request "Swallow's Courie Shell". Kaguya's patterns are prettier though, so I guess I'll give her slight preference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 12:12:24 GMT
I love both and they're some of my favourite fights in the series.
I'm going Kaguya though as Hourai Jewel is my favourite spellcard in the series.
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Post by Proto on Jun 9, 2015 16:01:14 GMT
I'm gonna look at this from multiple different aspects.
Based on characters, Eirin is in my top ten while Kaguya has consistently secured ABSOLUTE BOTTOM placement. I'm starting to appreciate Kaguya more now, but she's not going anywhere near Eirin tier. Even based on appearance, Eirin has a cooler outfit and I like that silver hair. And she holds a bow. Kaguya looks really bland in comparison.
Based on boss design though, there are a lot of factors to consider. With respect to spell design from a gameplay perspective, I like pretty much all of Eirin's spells except Apollo 13 (which is still not too bad), whereas the only spell designs that stand out for Kaguya to me are Fire Rat's Robe, Rainbow Danmaku, and her 3rd Last Spell. Stuff like Dragon's Necklace, Buddha's Stone Bowl and Swallow's Cowrie Shell, although they are very different spells, aren't much more than just different variants of mixing lasers and bullets, which is kinda lame. Fire Rat's Robe technically falls in that category too, but its unique characteristics (destructible familiars firing aimed lasers from a rectangle formation) improve its overall design more (despite being quite easy). In any case, Eirin beats Kaguya here, even if Earth in a Pot and Galaxy in a Pot were treated as a single spell.
I also especially like how Eirin's spells tend to have a recurring theme of being surrounded or confined. Her spells well demonstrate how Eirin has complete control over your freedom of movement, and I personally find that this really helps to illustrate how dangerous Eirin is as an opponent, which fits her nature as a final boss. Kaguya doesn't really have any kind of notable recurring theme like that, sadly. Still though, with respect to visual presentation, Kaguya's spells are prettier than Eirin's imo. Also, while not really related to Eirin vs Kaguya, I have to point out that Eirin's emphasis on spell design and Kaguya's emphasis on visual presentation do a good job of reflecting their individual distinct characters.
While not really a very important factor, imo History of the Moon > Flight of the Bamboo Cutter, and I'd say the former also fits better as a final boss theme.
I'm not really considering the difficulty of the battles as a contributing factor, but I'll express my opinion on this anyway. Eirin is tougher on Easy/Normal (Apollo 13 is harder than anything Kaguya throws at you, Game of Life is a bit annoying at times, and even Astronomical Entombing can be pretty difficult, depending on your shot type) while Kaguya is tougher on Hard/Lunatic (mostly because Hourai Jewel becomes insane).
Both bosses are fun, though I find Eirin's battle more exciting because it tends to be pretty intense throughout the fight, whereas fighting Kaguya is pretty relaxing until like, Hourai Jewel. It doesn't help that Kaguya's hardest spell on Normal imo is her first spell, Dragon's Necklace. Kaguya's Last Words are also too short to compare to the tense experience with the longer Hourai Elixir, though failing at less than 5 seconds left on the latter is frustrating as hell.
My vote goes to Eirin btw.
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Post by MauserZGK on Jun 9, 2015 20:38:16 GMT
If Hitler and Stalin had a child, she'd be named Kaguya. I vote Eirin for not being a total asshat.
We can elaborate a bit on that i guess. Kaguyer is a meanie. I like the beginning of her fight but after Buddhist Diamond she her spellcards turn pretty crappy and Hourai Jewel is probably my least favorite final spellcard in all of Touhou. I find it difficult in the most annoying fashion. Basically its a streaming spell that has you move in a specific memorized rhythm and if you move too early or too late you get trapped and you'll basically have to eat a bullet or bomb.
Eirin I find much more entertaining with a host of pretty fun spellcards and one of the coolest final spells in the series. However, Eirin isn't worth a lot of points. Kaguya gives a lot more score which means you basically don't get a choice. You have to fight the crappy one to get a decent score and so Kaguya becomes essentially game-breaking for IN speaking as a guy who generally don't like IN that much.
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Post by ZM on Jun 9, 2015 21:16:12 GMT
Eirin has a better theme and a more engaging battle.
Kaguya is kinda lame, but at least Hourai Jewel is a pretty fun spell (on Hard, fuck Lunatic!HJ). Though if you fuck up your timing, you're fucked.
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