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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 2, 2015 13:50:33 GMT
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Post by Lorus on Jul 2, 2015 14:28:56 GMT
10) Which character theme is the worst?
Hearing this drove me away from the DDC OST for a few months.
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Post by ZM on Jul 2, 2015 14:40:35 GMT
10. Worst character themeHmm...
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Post by Carrot on Jul 2, 2015 18:51:00 GMT
10. Worst character themeHmm... I'd say either this, or... Both sound really, really out of place for the Touhou series. To the point of hurting my ears. Edit: I should say that it's not the songs themselves, but the musical choices. If I were to say what was the most BORING theme... Probably most any theme from TD. I find them to pretty much all be stale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 19:03:53 GMT
10) This one, if assuming proper characters only. It's not really musically bad but the repeating beat is annoying and the intro sounds bad. It also doesn't sound like a Marisa song at all. I agree with this. Anyway, catch up, for days 8 and 9: 8. I'd let them play the games first, but out of themes I'd choose one that is interesting, cool and QUITE popular. 9. Eastern Youkai Beauty.
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jul 2, 2015 22:38:06 GMT
Mfw people think Oriental Dark Flight is one of the worst themes ever made in Touhou... I love the theme honestly. Same goes for Luna Dial. :^( And Wakasagihime's theme is actually one of my favorite stage 1 themes, too. Anyway, to add to the discussion... Since I feel those two songs are being unnecessarily bullied... I'd like fo everyone to hear some themes I feel are clearly worse themes than those two. (Those songs are honestly no where near the bottom of bad) 1. The Tank Girl's Dream First Theme of Rika 2. She's in a temper!! Second Theme of Rika 3. Bet on Death Theme of Magic Stones 4. Magic Formation ~ Magic Square Theme of Sara (the picture sucks too) 5. Stirring an Autumn Moon ~ Mooned Insect (I'd say the least worst) And honestly, I would say Sara's theme is straight up the worst of them all. Anyway, I don't want this to be a arguing back and forth of opinions, what people don't like and what people like, is well how it is. However, I get the feeling not everyone has heard every character theme in touhou... (I haven't either, as far as LoLK goes, but the game isn't complete yet)
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Post by Carrot on Jul 2, 2015 22:41:16 GMT
I have hardly heard anything before EoSD, so yeah. ¯\(°_°)/¯
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 2, 2015 22:54:34 GMT
Mfw people think Oriental Dark Flight is one of the worst themes ever made in Touhou... I love the theme honestly. Same goes for Luna Dial. :^( And Wakasagihime's theme is actually one of my favorite stage 1 themes, too. Oriental Dark Flight: Main issue people have is it's kinda just da, da da over and over for a good 1.25 minutes, changes for 20 seconds... then goes back to da, da da. Lunar Clock, Luna Dial: It's kinda out of place, like Carrot said. Not a fan of rock, myself, which is why I chose it. Though I like classical orchestra arranges of it. Mermaid of the Uncharted Land: Like with LCLD, out of place, perhaps moreso, as this electric guitar is associated with... a mermaid princess. I'd give Wakasagihime a bit more regality to her theme, but that's just me.
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Post by Carrot on Jul 2, 2015 22:59:51 GMT
Mermaid of the Uncharted Land: Like with LCLD, out of place, perhaps moreso, as this electric guitar is associated with... a mermaid princess. I'd give Wakasagihime a bit more regality to her theme, but that's just me. And on top of that, a SHY mermaid... At least with Luna Dial, it kiiind of matches the character's personality? I agree with the Oriental Dark Flight part of that it's not very Marisa-y. Honestly, I feel PoFV is the worst offender of giving themes that don't match the characters... Particularly because all of the songs are "mellow." If that makes any sense.
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jul 2, 2015 23:10:29 GMT
Oriental Dark Flight: So you're saying you have a problem with repetitiveness? That shouldn't be a problem. The melody is meant to be the way it is, so it's fine to me. And if you remember ZUN's notes for the song He was 'trying to make Marisa look like a bad guy while also making her look cute'. It's one thing when you have repetitiveness, it's another thing when the repetitive melody just sucks. (See Sara's theme) Maybe you should listen to an arrange of Oriental Dark Flight, I've got one just for you!Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial: It isn't out of place per say, you're looking at Touhou as a whole rather than taking into account the game it originated from and the atmosphere at the time the theme played. You're in a mansion of a vampire, with her trusty maid coming to protect her. And this maid has a lot of Dio and Jack the Ripper references on her. Most of all, it seems more like you're judging it for being 'out of place' rather than the content of the song. Actually, if you do look at that way, EoSD in general is pretty out of place. But then you look back to ZUN's philosophy, of trying to mix East and Western style, which is why the 'team' is called Team Shanghai Alice Illusionary Band. Shanghai is a city of 'east meets west', and illusionary band is because ZUN had originally wanted to be a musician. Mermaid of the Uncharted Land: Well, ZUN was trying to experiment with a guitar. And just like Luna Dial, you're judging it more for it's 'place' rather than the content of the song. It's called Mermaid of the Uncharted Land, and to me it sounds pretty much right, melody wise at least. Maybe the guitar could be changed for something else. I look back to A Tiny, Clever, Clever General (My favorite stage 1 theme) and that theme also used guitars, and it was used much more right. This one feels more subjective then the other three.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 2, 2015 23:30:48 GMT
Oriental Dark Flight: So you're saying you have a problem with repetitiveness? That shouldn't be a problem. The melody is meant to be the way it is, so it's fine to me. And if you remember ZUN's notes for the song He was 'trying to make Marisa look like a bad guy while also making her look cute'. It's one thing when you have repetitiveness, it's another thing when the repetitive melody just sucks. (See Sara's theme) Maybe you should listen to an arrange of Oriental Dark Flight, I've got one just for you!It gets kinda tiring after a while. A bit of repetitiveness is okay. Going with the same 3 notes for a full minute and fifteen seconds is another matter when the only other melody in the song is 20 seconds. In all fairness I do like the 20 second melody. I approve of orchestral remixes... *listens* Hmm, well okay, same as the original, same three notes get tiring. Like I said, I'm not really a fan of the style LCLD is done in. Just my personal preference influencing why I think it's at the bottom. The instrumentation leaves a big mark, and I prefer my music to have a more classical feel. It doesn't fit Wakasagihime at all, is why it's getting so many votes here. I don't mind the melody, but the instruments don't really fit Wakasagihime. Like you said in Luna Dial regarding EoSD's mood, it somewhat fits. Okay. MotUL doesn't fit the character of Wakasagihime. I'm only really defending my own opinion with Luna Dial, btw. I'm just explaining others reasoning for voting these three.
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Post by relick on Jul 2, 2015 23:30:54 GMT
Oriental Dark Flight: So you're saying you have a problem with repetitiveness? That shouldn't be a problem. The melody is meant to be the way it is, so it's fine to me. And if you remember ZUN's notes for the song He was 'trying to make Marisa look like a bad guy while also making her look cute'. It's one thing when you have repetitiveness, it's another thing when the repetitive melody just sucks. (See Sara's theme) Maybe you should listen to an arrange of Oriental Dark Flight, I've got one just for you!Mermaid of the Uncharted Land: Well, ZUN was trying to experiment with a guitar. And just like Luna Dial, you're judging it more for it's 'place' rather than the content of the song. It's called Mermaid of the Uncharted Land, and to me it sounds pretty much right, melody wise at least. Maybe the guitar could be changed for something else. I look back to A Tiny, Clever, Clever General (My favorite stage 1 theme) and that theme also used guitars, and it was used much more right. This one feels more subjective then the other three. ODF: There's nothing wrong with repeating melodies, the problem is ODF has no melody. It's just 'da, da-da, da-da, da-da' over and over with some random piano in the background. And since other than the small section in the middle, it basically has no melody, this 'bad guy while looking cute' fiasco just sounds like subjective bullshit to me . PoFV's instruments are awful, and make every single song in the game worse by default. Honestly though, ODF isn't bad. It's just when it sits next to every other Touhou song, it is the worst of the lot. MotUL: No, the song sucks, due to the guitar. The song could be good if the instrument was switched, but it hasn't and it won't be, so judge it for what it is rather than what it could be.
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Post by Dani on Jul 2, 2015 23:45:10 GMT
10) This one, if assuming proper characters only. It's not really musically bad but the repeating beat is annoying and the intro sounds bad. It also doesn't sound like a Marisa song at all. I agree with this 100%. The intro is pretty generic and uninteresting, the part that follows is more interesting but besides being 12 seconds long (without counting the repetition) it doesn't fit Marisa at all. The big of the song is rinse and repeat, it's just uninspired as uninspired can be imo. Also, I love Lunar Dial, I think it fits Sakuya, don't really get it why a lot of people don't like it.
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Post by relick on Jul 2, 2015 23:47:10 GMT
Like I said, I'm not really a fan of the style LCLD is done in. Just my personal preference influencing why I think it's at the bottom. The instrumentation leaves a big mark, and I prefer my music to have a more classical feel. I'm only really defending my own opinion with Luna Dial, btw. I'm just explaining others reasoning for voting these three. Which is fair enough, but the only thing I'd point out is that there are other rock songs in the Touhou series, and they are worse than Luna Dial. MotUL would have actually been a better choice than Luna Dial if you were putting it down for being rock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 23:49:36 GMT
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 2, 2015 23:50:23 GMT
Like I said, I'm not really a fan of the style LCLD is done in. Just my personal preference influencing why I think it's at the bottom. The instrumentation leaves a big mark, and I prefer my music to have a more classical feel. I'm only really defending my own opinion with Luna Dial, btw. I'm just explaining others reasoning for voting these three. Which is fair enough, but the only thing I'd point out is that there are other rock songs in the Touhou series, and they are worse than Luna Dial. MotUL would have actually been a better choice than Luna Dial if you were putting it down for being rock. True, but as far as the rock in Touhou goes, I like LCLD the least, personally :p
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Post by Kaguya Houraisan on Jul 3, 2015 0:59:27 GMT
Gonna be honest and say I don't like the way this question was worded. Maybe instead 'which song you like the least', rather than what song you think is the worst >.> @dr.Rintofen If the song had no melody, then it wouldn't be a song would it? Not all songs are gonna be very melodic, and in the case of Oriental Dark Flight, it's a song that focuses more on atmosphere than the actual melody. I would almost say Oriental Dark Flight would fit better as a stage theme, but it sounds too much like a character theme to me. Marisa has so many themes anyway, so I would assume that her themes all reveal are certain bit of personality or tell a story. You heard the arrange I gave right? Wouldn't you say the atmosphere of the song is... well done? The original and that arrange I showed, I always think of this song playing when Marisa is out committing theft. She is essentially being a 'cute bad guy' when she does that anyway, right? And in the game that introduces the Yama, I believe it fits perfectly. And I agree, PoFV does have some bad instruments. But hey, you have arranges to deal with that! @glaceon Mage I'm guessing you're the type of guy whose very 'melodic'? I know you said you liked classical a lot. What's your favorite song(s), btw. As for Mermaid of the Uncharted Land 'not fitting' Wakasagihime's character, Wakasagi was acting 'out of character' during the DDC incident anyway. So you could say that this theme fits her when she's out of character. There's always arrangements. shadielthNo you won't die. I can't really argue with you on that one. Futo's theme and melody is supposed to sound like the music from her era (between Tumulus and Asuka period), and I guess that music was just lackluster I guess? It is one of my favorite stage 5s though. So I'll just give you the evil eye sigma :<
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 3, 2015 1:22:40 GMT
@glaceon Mage I'm guessing you're the type of guy whose very 'melodic'? I know you said you liked classical a lot. What's your favorite song(s), btw. As for Mermaid of the Uncharted Land 'not fitting' Wakasagihime's character, Wakasagi was acting 'out of character' during the DDC incident anyway. So you could say that this theme fits her when she's out of character. There's always arrangements. Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke, Last Remote, Flight of the Bamboo Cutter, and Suwa Foughten Field (waifu bias involved)
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Post by relick on Jul 3, 2015 10:11:03 GMT
If the song had no melody, then it wouldn't be a song would it? Not all songs are gonna be very melodic, and in the case of Oriental Dark Flight, it's a song that focuses more on atmosphere than the actual melody. I would almost say Oriental Dark Flight would fit better as a stage theme, but it sounds too much like a character theme to me. Marisa has so many themes anyway, so I would assume that her themes all reveal are certain bit of personality or tell a story. You heard the arrange I gave right? Wouldn't you say the atmosphere of the song is... well done? The original and that arrange I showed, I always think of this song playing when Marisa is out committing theft. She is essentially being a 'cute bad guy' when she does that anyway, right? And in the game that introduces the Yama, I believe it fits perfectly. And I agree, PoFV does have some bad instruments. But hey, you have arranges to deal with that! You're right, it's not a song (^: I actually listen to ambient music all the time, but that's not what ODF is either, it's too strong. The thing is, you say you here this 'cute bad guy' thing when you listen to it. I can't hear that. I can't hear anything in this, because it's just dull and meaningless. And also if you think that's what ZUN was going for then the phrase 'you tried but failed miserably' is what comes to mind. Arranges are great for making the PoFV songs sound better, but PoFV's original songs have those instruments so I have to judge them for what they are, rather than what they are like in arranges.
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Post by Glaceon Mage on Jul 3, 2015 11:58:20 GMT
So, between Suwa Foughten Field, Phantom Ensemble, and True Administrator...
Not a wide range of choices, so I guess Suwa Foughten Field
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