MauserZGK
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Post by MauserZGK on Jul 1, 2015 21:16:33 GMT
The training wheels exist because ZUN was silly and decided to include them. The games however are practically on training wheels by default. They are very forgiving with lives and the deathbomb system is a very good and beginner friendly thing. Most games wouldn't give you more than 2 extra lives for a credit and they certainly wouldn't let you take avoid a death by bombing at the last moment.
I think that Touhou games on default resources are adequately noob friendly as they give you good room for error but you still don't get enough to get through without doing some learning when you first get started. If you start out by playing Touhou game on Normal for 1cc then you're being eased into the genre by default. It's not rocket science. It never was. But it's something new to most people and so it'll take some time to learn how to do it. The continues are there for that. You don't need extra lives too. In fact, more resources encourages a more lazy approach to the game where you'll bomb things you don't actually need to bomb and it will encourage you to just bomb things instead of using your head and figuring out a way to get past the problem.
As for putting myself into the position of a lesser player. I don't need to do that actively. I am part of the casual crowd too and i've never been very good at these games. I've just stuck with them for a long time because I like good games. It took me a long time to man up enough to move beyond Normal mode and into Hard and as soon as I actually worked up that confidence, i realized that hey, this isn't so bad at all! - Look at that! I was held back by being a spineless scrub. I am still holding myself back by being a spineless scrub! I don't need to put myself in the position of being spineless and scrubby when i'm already the world champion of being just that.
PS: You can never bash modern games and gamers too much. They're terrible! (broadly speaking of course, there's plenty of good ones in there)
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relick
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Post by relick on Jul 1, 2015 21:19:11 GMT
The training wheels exist because ZUN was silly and decided to include them. Someone had to, ZUN took up the mantle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 21:24:27 GMT
Again, why does this matter? Touhou is Touhou. A CAVE game is a CAVE game. No need to compare Touhou to the standards of CAVE games! When a newbie is starting off in this game, he's not gonna give a flying f*** about what the other games in this genre are like!
I never agreed with this. I mean, look at SA and UFO! Not even MoF is a pushover on normal. The only Normal-to-start-with game I can agree with is PCB due to how similar Easy and Normal are.
Do you want to frustrate newbies into quitting? Because this is how you frustrate newbies into quitting. Also, how is bombing a bad thing? Only you perfectionist elites are concerned about it. Bombing is a perfectly valid solution to the game's challenges. Or do you honestly think only NB clears count?
There's your problem. You think you're a casual, but you don't have the skill level or the perspective of one. You're too far above them - the reason you can't put yourself in their shoes.
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Post by relick on Jul 1, 2015 21:29:41 GMT
Calm down Angel, you're being as much of a scrublord as Zengeku is being  |
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MauserZGK
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Post by MauserZGK on Jul 1, 2015 21:40:21 GMT
EDIT: Rather, I don't think anyone here is getting anything out of this discussion and neither you or I will get anything constructive out of yelling at each other so I say we quit this discussion and we get on with the thread.
Speaking of which. My serious reply to this thread's question is that a new player should simply get a hold of all the games, try them out and then pick whichever one he/she thinks is the most fun and play on whichever difficulty level you find appropriate. I would recommend you try starting out with Normal mode, only leaving Easy mode for if you find it too frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 22:23:20 GMT
Again, why does this matter? Touhou is Touhou. A CAVE game is a CAVE game. No need to compare Touhou to the standards of CAVE games! When a newbie is starting off in this game, he's not gonna give a flying f*** about what the other games in this genre are like! I never agreed with this. I mean, look at SA and UFO! Not even MoF is a pushover on normal. The only Normal-to-start-with game I can agree with is PCB due to how similar Easy and Normal are. Do you want to frustrate newbies into quitting? Because this is how you frustrate newbies into quitting. Also, how is bombing a bad thing? Only you perfectionist elites are concerned about it. Bombing is a perfectly valid solution to the game's challenges. Or do you honestly think only NB clears count? There's your problem. You think you're a casual, but you don't have the skill level or the perspective of one. You're too far above them - the reason you can't put yourself in their shoes. If someone calls you a scrub, you git gud and call them a scrub back when you're better than them! |
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Post by xxxmemerlord42069xxx on Jul 1, 2015 23:47:52 GMT
I just tried to Normal clear all of the Windows games in whatever order I felt like so I could meet all the 2hus, and then clear the higher difficulties
Not sure if there's a recommendable first 2hu, I guess PCB because it's good as HELL xD and maybe not any of the newhus because they have some weird crap in them that are a bit much for someone trying to figure out what shift does.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 12:07:05 GMT
Hmm. Since I haven't seen anyone mention UFO, I'd say you do it on Easy because Shou can be hard as hell when it comes to much harder modes. I'd also go with Easy mode because you could learn and practice new techniques for harder modes later on.
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Mero
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Post by Mero on Jul 2, 2015 21:54:59 GMT
PCB Easy/Normal, MoF/SA Easy, or DDC Easy. They're simple enough games to get someone started.
EoSD is an okay choice too I guess, I just feel there are better games for that.
I feel like IN is not as good, because Easy is kinda zzz there, and with the deathbomb thing there, it may give a bad habit of waiting to bomb on reaction (if you pick border team, at least).
TD and UFO are very route-heavy, and most of what you learn from those games only works for those games.
MoF and SA have a simple resource system, which encourages and rewards good play (one may do it better than the other, depending on who you ask), you can bomb difficult stuff, but you have to do some things right to not end up helpless on zero power.
DDC has a standard resource formula (bombs != power), but it works like SA, except you can't play as safe here. More than anything it helps one to feel comfortable with the PoC mechanic, and how to work around it properly for games like MoF and IN, where getting items (or score) is the way to get lives.
PCB is considered by some to be THE Touhou game, because it has a balanced and accessible difficulty throughout, it has a nice pacing, the resource system is really easy to pick up, and the Border system allows to experiment without minimal consequences (or it simply works as a safety hit). You can even go directly to Normal here, since it's not as "in your face" as SA or DDC Normal.
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Carrot
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Post by Carrot on Jul 2, 2015 22:15:27 GMT
I hate giving a copout answer, but I'd just show them all their options, give them a brief description on each game, and let them decide. I'd ask them if they've had any experience with these types of shooters, if they say no I'd suggest playing on Easy and moving to Normal once they're comfortable with the controls. If they have played these shooters before I'd suggest Normal. If they're experienced with bullet hells, then I'd say Hard.
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